From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1EcS2A-00027j-U4 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:29:27 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id jAGIRvFn024929; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:27:57 GMT Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.193]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jAGINflL014871 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:23:42 GMT Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s6so2161541wxc for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 10:23:41 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=gg3IHlVDbwV8Hujw7OwI7FtWEPhr2fz2JMmY6s59R+NCAiDZep2iAhrOgxMlowMk8ePbPzchDY73qVHyBvohPRKK/iqPkZ7RqEN9AwBbzvjgg3RzctFRfc8LPEBiFwrjHFwg3ppQ83/qdlhpQtCFkRoG3SZMFpoj9KdL7CFaEaM= Received: by 10.70.130.1 with SMTP id c1mr4155668wxd; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 10:23:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.11.1 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 10:23:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0511161023h1cf5325bkd454bf626ca06500@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 10:23:41 -0800 From: Mark Knecht To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path? In-Reply-To: <9999810b0511160820h648eb1a5o4f62300507c2b8a9@mail.gmail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <9999810b0511160820h648eb1a5o4f62300507c2b8a9@mail.gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by robin.gentoo.org id jAGINflL014871 X-Archives-Salt: 89766bc7-107d-4d9f-80b8-6ffae23ef619 X-Archives-Hash: 4a33ccd03529d9f11a2c67ce0f309273 On 11/16/05, Derek Tracy wrote: > (DISCLAIMER: Let me start off by saying that this is truly not a flame but > more of a concern. So please do not flame me for stating my > opinions/concerns.) Understood. I certainly didn't take it that way. > > I have been an avid Gentoo User for 2 and 1/2 years now. About the same as me. > In the past I > have always leaned toward ~x86 (I love bleeding edge). But since this was > going to be a new install I decided to do the preferred method and set all > ~x86 flags via /etc/portage/package.keywords for specific packages. Right. > > Now since we have the background we will get to the questions at hand. > During this install I have run into nothing but problems. ... with a slight modification I am using LVM2 for /usr /usr/portage > /opt /var /tmp /home (I figured I would take advantage of some setuid > security procedures). Part way through the online handbook I noticed that > they standardized the Stage3 install. I figured that since the developers > thought it was best to use a Stage3 install then why not give it a shot. So > I installed everything according to the handbook and all went well until I > restarted. Yes, but I've done FC installs that did the same thing. It's not limited to Gentoo. > > So now I am waiting for the whole system to recompile using ~x86 (the so > called "Unstable" packages) and I will see if that works or not. Bummer. The Gentoo install is a lot of work. To completely restart is painful. Was there really no other option? I don't remember you asking about this. Did I miss it? > > I am seriously reconsidering finding another OS to use, this whole headache > has been totally ridiculous. I could see this if I would have emerged all > of the unstable packages to begin with or even perform a Stage1 install > after the developers decided to make the Stage3 the default. But I didn't I > did everything according to the documentation (and I triple checked that I > did not skip anything). > > So with all of this said if the developers do not start testing everything a > little more thoroughly then I predict there will be a serious drop in the > number of Gentoo Followers out there. Especially if a Gentoo Veteren has > this hard of a time installing the operating system that I love. In some ways I agree. I have an AMD64 machine (I'm writing you from it) that has a LOT of packages as ~amd64 to make it usable. I recognize that this is newer hardware and I expected this would be required, but recently I've noticed portage getting hinky about ~x86 vs. ~amd64. My /etc/postage/package.use file is getting weird trying to keep up. Portage is trying to downgrade things that are marked ~x86. I change them to ~amd64 and it lets me keep them. Something feels wrong about that. But at least my system works. (mostly...) I have no complaints. Just concerns... > > When a branch is marked stable all of the packages in that branch should > work, yes there will always be configuration glitches but the problems I > have had during this install were not from configuration glitches. They are > what looks like incompatible packages and numerous other things. If Gentoo > is going to continue to grow then we as a community need to speak up about > things like this. > Well, yes and no. I don't think that 'stable' is the same as 'guaranteed'. None the less I agree with what I think is the sentiment of your statement. In some of the online polls it seems that Gentoo's popularity has dropped a bit lately. Personally I'm more and more impressed with it every day. It's only been on my AMD64 machine that I've seen many issues. I will admit that I have a big concern about an upcoming MySQL update that is probably going to break my whole TV network here. Due to my fear I haven't upgraded MySQL and will likely come back ranting myself sometime in December when I'm probably forced to do it. We'll see... ;-) Best of luck getting the problems worked out. cheers, Mark -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list