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From: Wols Lists <antlists@youngman.org.uk>
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Re: Firefox and addons no longer supported question
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2018 21:39:26 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5AC6897E.1060406@youngman.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5522954.cWc91H1H0U@dell_xps>

On 05/04/18 18:53, Mick wrote:
> On Thursday, 5 April 2018 18:12:06 BST Peter Humphrey wrote:
>> On Thursday, 5 April 2018 12:47:43 BST Wol's lists wrote:
> 
>>> But again this comes down to another moan of mine - why is "The Queen's
>>> English" considered "correct", while let's say Yorkshire Dialect is
>>> considered "wrong", when said dialect is hundreds of years old but the
>>> Queen's English has probably only been around for about a century.
>>
>> Correctness is not a helpful concept in a living language, not least because
>> it changes from decade to decade. Besides, are you confusing Queen's
>> English with Received Pronunciation?
> 
> Quite.  As far as accents goes my understanding is they are essentially one 
> and the same and were shaped by the Hanoverian/Saxe-Coburg-Gotha German 
> accents of the English Royals and their courtiers.  The way I see it, the 
> Saxons won the pronunciation  war over the Vikings.  :-)
> 
Not necessarily :-)

Because dialect is a lot more than pronunciation. It's also spelling,
and vocabulary.

To some extent I was thinking of what I believe is called "the great
fricative shift", and the frenchification of our spelling in the 17/18
hundreds.

(My daughter has moved to Yorkshire, so we have the occasional
head-scratch when she comes out with dialect words, although her accent
reverts almost instantly to South-London when we're around. Her
husband's family hail from further north so they can be hard to
understand. And my interest in Scottish and pre-Norman history has given
me an understanding of where English has come from, which has nothing to
do with where most people think it came from - the Saxons speak English,
the Angles speak Scots, and the Scots speak Gaelic ... :-)

Cheers,
Wol


  reply	other threads:[~2018-04-05 21:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-03-30 22:28 [gentoo-user] Firefox and addons no longer supported question Dale
2018-03-31  1:57 ` Adam Carter
2018-03-31  2:23   ` Dale
2018-03-31  2:35     ` tuxic
2018-03-31  2:45       ` Dale
2018-03-31  3:05         ` tuxic
2018-03-31  3:36           ` Dale
2018-03-31  3:45             ` tuxic
2018-04-02  8:54               ` Dale
2018-04-02  8:59                 ` Dale
2018-04-02 15:21                   ` [gentoo-user] " Ian Zimmerman
2018-04-02 15:26                     ` Daniel Frey
2018-04-02 15:44                       ` Ian Zimmerman
2018-04-02 17:19                         ` Philip Webb
2018-04-02 16:18                       ` Martin Vaeth
2018-04-02 20:14                         ` Dale
2018-04-02 20:50                           ` Philip Webb
2018-04-02 21:08                             ` Dale
2018-04-03  8:28                             ` Peter Humphrey
2018-04-03  9:02                               ` Neil Bothwick
2018-04-03 10:18                                 ` Marc Joliet
2018-04-03  9:53                             ` [gentoo-user] frenchspacing (was: Firefox and addons no longer supported question) Martin Vaeth
2018-04-04 18:12                             ` [gentoo-user] Re: Firefox and addons no longer supported question Wol's lists
2018-04-05  7:23                               ` Ian Zimmerman
2018-04-05  8:57                               ` [gentoo-user] [OT] " Peter Humphrey
2018-04-05 11:23                                 ` Mick
2018-04-05 11:53                                   ` Wol's lists
2018-04-05 11:47                                 ` Wol's lists
2018-04-05 17:12                                   ` Peter Humphrey
2018-04-05 17:53                                     ` Mick
2018-04-05 20:39                                       ` Wols Lists [this message]
2018-04-05 20:41                                     ` Wols Lists
2018-04-03 20:28                     ` [gentoo-user] " Walter Dnes
2018-03-31  3:42           ` [gentoo-user] " tuxic
2018-03-31 12:18     ` [gentoo-user] Firefox with tab-grouping Philip Webb
2018-03-31 18:45       ` Dale
2018-03-31  8:18 ` [gentoo-user] Re: Firefox and addons no longer supported question Martin Vaeth
2018-03-31 10:17   ` Arve Barsnes
2018-03-31 10:37     ` tuxic
2018-03-31 13:21       ` Martin Vaeth
2018-03-31 17:36   ` Ian Zimmerman
2018-04-01  9:15     ` Martin Vaeth
2018-04-01 14:35       ` Ian Zimmerman
2018-04-01 16:29         ` Martin Vaeth
2018-04-01 22:26           ` Ian Zimmerman
2018-04-01 23:22             ` Dale
2018-04-02  0:28               ` Ian Zimmerman
2018-04-02  1:44                 ` Bill Kenworthy
2018-04-02  5:41                   ` Martin Vaeth
2018-04-02  7:37                     ` tuxic
2018-04-02  8:23                       ` Martin Vaeth
2018-04-02  8:32                         ` tuxic
2018-04-02  8:33                       ` Dale
2018-04-02  8:50                     ` Walter Dnes
2018-04-02 10:14                       ` Martin Vaeth
2018-04-02  9:48                     ` Bill Kenworthy
2018-04-02 10:24                       ` Martin Vaeth
2018-04-02  0:20             ` Michael King
2018-04-01 15:55 ` [gentoo-user] " Taiidan

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