[gentoo-user] Re: printer

[gentoo-user] Re: printer

[walt]

On 04/29/2012 12:55 PM, Stephane Guedon wrote:
> Hi everyone
> 
> I am now forced to replace my epson printer.
> 
> Anyone think of a printer for which ink is quite cheap (contrary to the epson) 
> and that allow to have status not only in windows ?
> 
> Epson as an utility to have ink status in windows and linux, but I have my 
> printer on a server and was in hope some could have ink status iin cups ...
> 
> So, anyone that have a suggestion is welcome !

I agree with Volker.  The printer costs more but not buying ink cartridges is
like getting out prison :)  You never want to go back again.

[gentoo-user] Printer

[Roger Cahn]

Hi,

For my birthday (!) my children want to offer me a multifunction
printer, copier.

I ask you for an idea which one they could buy.

For example:  Multifonction A3 HP Officejet Pro 7612

-gentoo amd64 compatible

-inkjet color (4colors)

-ethernet

Thank you for your help

Roger

Re: [gentoo-user] Printer

[David Abbott]

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 5:33 AM, Roger Cahn <roger.cahn@free.fr> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> For my birthday (!) my children want to offer me a multifunction
> printer, copier.
>
> I ask you for an idea which one they could buy.
>
> For example:  Multifonction A3 HP Officejet Pro 7612
>
> -gentoo amd64 compatible
>
> -inkjet color (4colors)
>
> -ethernet
>
> Thank you for your help
>
> Roger
>
>

Hi Roger,
I have been using a HP Envy 5330 for a few years, everything is supported well.
https://support.hp.com/us-en/product/hp-envy-5530-e-all-in-one-printer-series/5304881/model/5304882/drivers

Re: [gentoo-user] Printer

[Wols Lists]

On 01/03/18 10:33, Roger Cahn wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> For my birthday (!) my children want to offer me a multifunction
> printer, copier.
> 
> I ask you for an idea which one they could buy.
> 
> For example:  Multifonction A3 HP Officejet Pro 7612
> 
> -gentoo amd64 compatible
> 
> -inkjet color (4colors)
> 
> -ethernet
> 
I use these people

https://www.ijtdirect.co.uk/?sct=printerdeals

As you're in France it shouldn't be a problem, just watch for the
currency conversion. They've been about for years dealing in refurbished
kit, although I think these printers are new.

All our lasers have been Dell, and there's been minimal problems with
them. Our current one is the Dell 1765 multi-function, which isn't on
the list :-( I think our current printers are the 4th and 5th we've had
from them.

HPs and Epsons are allegedly linux-friendly.

One thing to look out for - do you do a lot of scanning? One of the
reasons I like the Dells is that they have what I call "push scanning" -
configure them to connect via Samba, then you can put the original in
the feeder, select "scan" on the front panel, and the scan appears
automagically on the computer. With both HP and Epson, you usually have
to put the document in the scanner, then go to the computer and run the
scan software. A pain in the arse.

Cheers,
Wol

[gentoo-user] Re: Printer

[Grant Edwards]

On 2018-03-01, Roger Cahn <roger.cahn@free.fr> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> For my birthday (!) my children want to offer me a multifunction
> printer, copier.
>
> I ask you for an idea which one they could buy.

I despise all inkjets, but maybe that's just me.

I'd pick mono laser over any inkjet.

Many years ago, I worked with a Brother mono laser multifunction
printer and the "print" part worked fine with Linux.  I don't think I
ever tried to set it up the scanning.


-- 
Grant Edwards               grant.b.edwards        Yow! Life is a POPULARITY
                                  at               CONTEST!  I'm REFRESHINGLY
                              gmail.com            CANDID!!

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Printer

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Thu, 1 Mar 2018 15:10:58 +0000 (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote:

> > For my birthday (!) my children want to offer me a multifunction
> > printer, copier.
> >
> > I ask you for an idea which one they could buy.  
> 
> I despise all inkjets, but maybe that's just me.

It's not.
 
> I'd pick mono laser over any inkjet.

That depends on your printing needs. I've now got an HP colour laser AIO
device. It was expensive but it does everything I need with minimal fuss.

The only point I'd make about HP AIO devices is that while the hplip
package is free and open source, to use it with a scanner it downloads a
non-free binary blob. Whether this matters depends on whether you are a
pragmatist or zealot ;-)

> Many years ago, I worked with a Brother mono laser multifunction
> printer and the "print" part worked fine with Linux.  I don't think I
> ever tried to set it up the scanning.

I had a similar device and it was a bitch to set up.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

Stupid user error. Terminate user (Y/n) ?

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[gentoo-user] Re: Printer

[Grant Edwards]

On 2018-03-01, Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk> wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Mar 2018 15:10:58 +0000 (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote:
>
>> I despise all inkjets, but maybe that's just me.
>
> It's not.
>  
>> I'd pick mono laser over any inkjet.
>
> That depends on your printing needs. I've now got an HP colour laser AIO
> device. It was expensive but it does everything I need with minimal fuss.

Here's my HP testimonial: I've had an HP LaserJet 1320 printer (mono)
for almost 15 years.  It's brilliant: 1200DPI, Postscript, Duplexing.
It still works like it did when it was new.  

I've had to by _one_ toner cartridge, it's still got many miles left
on it.

I don't print much, and the one Canon ink-jet printer I had before the
HP LaserJet had an operating cost of about $10/page.  Yes, dollars.
Once every couple months, I'd need to print a few pages -- and I'd
have to by yet another new cartridge and thow out the 99% full one
that had stopped working.



> The only point I'd make about HP AIO devices is that while the hplip
> package is free and open source, to use it with a scanner it downloads a
> non-free binary blob. Whether this matters depends on whether you are a
> pragmatist or zealot ;-)

If I cared about scanning, I'd be very tempted to spend enough money
to get a network-connected printer that just e-mails me a PDF document
or writes it to a network file server.

-- 
Grant Edwards               grant.b.edwards        Yow! We just joined the
                                  at               civil hair patrol!
                              gmail.com            

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Printer

[Peter Humphrey]

On Thursday, 1 March 2018 15:29:39 GMT Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Mar 2018 15:10:58 +0000 (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote:
> > > For my birthday (!) my children want to offer me a multifunction
> > > printer, copier.
> > > 
> > > I ask you for an idea which one they could buy.
> > 
> > I despise all inkjets, but maybe that's just me.
> 
> It's not.

+1

> > I'd pick mono laser over any inkjet.

I had an inkjet but I didn't use it much, so every time I came to use it the 
jets were blocked. Eventually the condition was terminal. I now use only my 
trusty old Kyocera FS-1020D mono laser.

-- 
Regards,
Peter.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Printer

[Wols Lists]

On 01/03/18 17:41, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Thursday, 1 March 2018 15:29:39 GMT Neil Bothwick wrote:
>> On Thu, 1 Mar 2018 15:10:58 +0000 (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote:
>>>> For my birthday (!) my children want to offer me a multifunction
>>>> printer, copier.
>>>>
>>>> I ask you for an idea which one they could buy.
>>>
>>> I despise all inkjets, but maybe that's just me.
>>
>> It's not.
> 
> +1

I agree ... (but see below)
> 
>>> I'd pick mono laser over any inkjet.
> 
> I had an inkjet but I didn't use it much, so every time I came to use it the 
> jets were blocked. Eventually the condition was terminal. I now use only my 
> trusty old Kyocera FS-1020D mono laser.
> 
I think modern ink-jets are rather better.

The one we've got now seems okay - the very first one I've been any
where near happy with. It's not perfect, but the photos are better than
a laser, and my wife prints card which the laser printer chokes on.

Cheers,
Wol

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Printer

[Wols Lists]

On 01/03/18 15:43, Grant Edwards wrote:
> If I cared about scanning, I'd be very tempted to spend enough money
> to get a network-connected printer that just e-mails me a PDF document
> or writes it to a network file server.

Make sure you check the specs. Either it'll be expensive, or it probably
won't do it. My Dells have been the only printer/scanners I've had that
do it - HP's don't, Epsons don't ...

Cheers,
Wol

[gentoo-user] Re: Printer

[Grant Edwards]

On 2018-03-01, Wols Lists <antlists@youngman.org.uk> wrote:
> On 01/03/18 15:43, Grant Edwards wrote:
>> If I cared about scanning, I'd be very tempted to spend enough money
>> to get a network-connected printer that just e-mails me a PDF document
>> or writes it to a network file server.
>
> Make sure you check the specs. Either it'll be expensive,

I'm sure.  None of the budget all-in-ones I've looked at in the past
did it.

> or it probably won't do it. My Dells have been the only
> printer/scanners I've had that do it - HP's don't, Epsons don't ...

That feature definitely moves you from the "home" printer product
lines into the "office" printer product lines.

-- 
Grant Edwards               grant.b.edwards        Yow! Those people look
                                  at               exactly like Donnie and
                              gmail.com            Marie Osmond!!

Re: [gentoo-user] Printer

[R0b0t1]

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 4:33 AM, Roger Cahn <roger.cahn@free.fr> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> For my birthday (!) my children want to offer me a multifunction
> printer, copier.
>
> I ask you for an idea which one they could buy.
>

Hello,

I strongly recommend a Brother laser/thermal printer. They can do
color now. You can alternatively buy reservoirs for ink based
printers.

Color lasers are usually "business" instead of "home" but I would not
buy a home printer if I could afford it. The savings will be quite a
bit. A business printer will last a decade or more, and is not that
much more expensive. Someone mentioned laser getting better, I would
agree.

Cheers,
     R0b0t1

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Printer

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Thu, 1 Mar 2018 17:56:15 +0000, Wols Lists wrote:

> > If I cared about scanning, I'd be very tempted to spend enough money
> > to get a network-connected printer that just e-mails me a PDF document
> > or writes it to a network file server.  
> 
> Make sure you check the specs. Either it'll be expensive, or it probably
> won't do it. My Dells have been the only printer/scanners I've had that
> do it - HP's don't, Epsons don't ...

That's not correct. My HP laser AIO can scan to email, a network folder
or a USB stick.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

Unix is user-friendly. It's just very selective with who it's friends are.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Printer

[Adam Carter]

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Happy with my OfficeJet Pro 8620.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Printer

[Wols Lists]

On 01/03/18 22:08, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Mar 2018 17:56:15 +0000, Wols Lists wrote:
> 
>>> If I cared about scanning, I'd be very tempted to spend enough money
>>> to get a network-connected printer that just e-mails me a PDF document
>>> or writes it to a network file server.  
>>
>> Make sure you check the specs. Either it'll be expensive, or it probably
>> won't do it. My Dells have been the only printer/scanners I've had that
>> do it - HP's don't, Epsons don't ...
> 
> That's not correct. My HP laser AIO can scan to email, a network folder
> or a USB stick.
> 
> 
I've seen printers advertised as scanning to email and network folders,
and it turns out you need to control it FROM THE COMPUTER. (I saw the
adverts, downloaded the manual, and there was no mention of doing from
the front panel, but copious explanation of how to use the computer
software.)

My Dell, you need the computer to configure it, but then everything is
controlled from the printer front panel.

Cheers,
Wol

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Printer

[Wols Lists]

On 01/03/18 22:08, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Mar 2018 17:56:15 +0000, Wols Lists wrote:
> 
>>> If I cared about scanning, I'd be very tempted to spend enough money
>>> to get a network-connected printer that just e-mails me a PDF document
>>> or writes it to a network file server.  
>>
>> Make sure you check the specs. Either it'll be expensive, or it probably
>> won't do it. My Dells have been the only printer/scanners I've had that
>> do it - HP's don't, Epsons don't ...
> 
> That's not correct. My HP laser AIO can scan to email, a network folder
> or a USB stick.
> 
> 
Just downloaded an AIO manual (3050 series). It says the functionality
is Windows only, and needs to be configured using a Windows program.
Okay, that's probably bullshit, but ...

The Dell is programmed via its web interface, and will scan to any CIFS
share.

But as I say, I'm sure when I've investigated in the past, it's always
required software on the computer to do the scan or email - oh - the AIO
manual says they can scan TO AN EMAIL PROGRAM. They can't "scan to
email" as I understand it ... it sounds like it fires up Outlook or
whatever, and sticks the scan in as an attachment. It doesn't sound like
it will talk to an email server and send an email with the scan attached.

Cheers,
Wol

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Printer

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Fri, 2 Mar 2018 10:18:34 +0000, Wols Lists wrote:

> >> Make sure you check the specs. Either it'll be expensive, or it
> >> probably won't do it. My Dells have been the only printer/scanners
> >> I've had that do it - HP's don't, Epsons don't ...  
> > 
> > That's not correct. My HP laser AIO can scan to email, a network
> > folder or a USB stick.
> >   
> I've seen printers advertised as scanning to email and network folders,
> and it turns out you need to control it FROM THE COMPUTER. (I saw the
> adverts, downloaded the manual, and there was no mention of doing from
> the front panel, but copious explanation of how to use the computer
> software.)

Bear in mind that I am not using adverts as my source of information but
the printer sitting next to my desk.

> My Dell, you need the computer to configure it, but then everything is
> controlled from the printer front panel.

It's exactly the same with my HP. You don't even need a windows program
to configure it, although they do supply one, as the printer has a built
in web server for configuration. And if you plug in a USB stick it opens
a menu that includes an option to scan to the stick.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

Help put the "fun" back in "dysfunctional" !

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Printer

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Fri, 2 Mar 2018 10:56:35 +0000, Wols Lists wrote:

> > That's not correct. My HP laser AIO can scan to email, a network
> > folder or a USB stick.
> > 
> >   
> Just downloaded an AIO manual (3050 series). It says the functionality
> is Windows only, and needs to be configured using a Windows program.
> Okay, that's probably bullshit, but ...

Maybe that's true of that model, but it's certainly not true of all HP
AIO devices.
 
> The Dell is programmed via its web interface, and will scan to any CIFS
> share.

As can my HP.
 
> But as I say, I'm sure when I've investigated in the past, it's always
> required software on the computer to do the scan or email - oh - the AIO
> manual says they can scan TO AN EMAIL PROGRAM. They can't "scan to
> email" as I understand it ... it sounds like it fires up Outlook or
> whatever, and sticks the scan in as an attachment. It doesn't sound like
> it will talk to an email server and send an email with the scan
> attached.

Then why does the configuration web interface ask for the mail server
details?


-- 
Neil Bothwick

The voices in my head may not be real, but they have some good ideas!

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Re: [gentoo-user] Printer

[Roger Cahn]

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Hi all,
Thank you for your messages.
It's not easy to make a choice among
the so numerous machines.
Finaly I took the: 


  HP OfficeJet 7612 Wide Format All-in-One Printer

I hope it will give me satisfaction.
Roger

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Re: [gentoo-user] Printer

[Dale]

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Roger Cahn wrote:
> Hi all,
> Thank you for your messages.
> It's not easy to make a choice among
> the so numerous machines.
> Finaly I took the: 
>
>
>   HP OfficeJet 7612 Wide Format All-in-One Printer
>
> I hope it will give me satisfaction.
> Roger


After you have used it a bit and made use of all the options, can you
post back on what worked well and what didn't?  Also, notes on any
tricky setup problems may prove interesting as well. 

Thanks.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

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Re: [gentoo-user] Printer

[J. Roeleveld]

On Thursday, March 1, 2018 2:52:59 PM CET Wols Lists wrote:
> On 01/03/18 10:33, Roger Cahn wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > For my birthday (!) my children want to offer me a multifunction
> > printer, copier.
> > 
> > I ask you for an idea which one they could buy.
> > 
> > For example:  Multifonction A3 HP Officejet Pro 7612
> > 
> > -gentoo amd64 compatible
> > 
> > -inkjet color (4colors)
> > 
> > -ethernet
> 
> I use these people
> 
> https://www.ijtdirect.co.uk/?sct=printerdeals
> 
> As you're in France it shouldn't be a problem, just watch for the
> currency conversion. They've been about for years dealing in refurbished
> kit, although I think these printers are new.
> 
> All our lasers have been Dell, and there's been minimal problems with
> them. Our current one is the Dell 1765 multi-function, which isn't on
> the list :-( I think our current printers are the 4th and 5th we've had
> from them.
> 
> HPs and Epsons are allegedly linux-friendly.

HPs work really well from linux, the hplip-software does all the configuring 
for you.

> One thing to look out for - do you do a lot of scanning? One of the
> reasons I like the Dells is that they have what I call "push scanning" -
> configure them to connect via Samba, then you can put the original in
> the feeder, select "scan" on the front panel, and the scan appears
> automagically on the computer. With both HP and Epson, you usually have
> to put the document in the scanner, then go to the computer and run the
> scan software. A pain in the arse.

My current HP one can scan and print directly to/from USB drives. No need for 
a computer.
Newer HP printers can also scan to fileshares, email,.... just like most other 
"advanced" units.

--
Joost