From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: <gentoo-user+bounces-181340-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@lists.gentoo.org> Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 89B60139083 for <garchives@archives.gentoo.org>; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 12:11:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 31AFEE0FAF; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 12:11:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from auth-3.ukservers.net (auth-3.ukservers.net [217.10.138.152]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BB613E0EEF for <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 12:11:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host31-49-160-255.range31-49.btcentralplus.com [31.49.160.255]) by auth-3.ukservers.net (Postfix smtp) with ESMTPA id C10485412F5 for <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 12:11:22 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory? To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org References: <6582741.F9gJHCEsXr@dell_xps> <p0ge71$7je$1@blaine.gmane.org> <2343494.DDJaQvByiF@dell_xps> <6cb25230-9803-2bd4-ee69-66504d0d1822@gmx.com> <c7ad1cbf-6fba-b40d-dc9c-715d4cbd6c49@gmail.com> <5A2D04A1.6090101@youngman.org.uk> <20171210101330.GA5671@ACM> <20171211185602.7a1853c9@digimed.co.uk> <20171211210321.GA12473@ACM> <20171211222917.7660652b@digimed.co.uk> From: Wols Lists <antlists@youngman.org.uk> X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1010 Message-ID: <5A2FC76A.4060000@youngman.org.uk> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 12:11:22 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.7.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-user+help@lists.gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-user.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20171211222917.7660652b@digimed.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 70e29aca-0278-4f12-967e-3e5863938417 X-Archives-Hash: d9b06c4e64e13cd22d3e2a19c82d29f7 On 11/12/17 22:29, Neil Bothwick wrote: >> I don't want a binary logging daemon either: that means having to learn >> > a special purpose utility to be able to read its logs, and, in general, >> > not being able to read that log from a remote machine. > "journalctl" is just the same as "less /var/log/messages" so here's not > much to learn unless you want to use the search features. Reading the log > from a remote machine is easy, using either SSH or HTTP, whichever you > prefer. My one complaint about the systemd journal is that there is not, > AFAIK, a standalone reader. If I want to boot from a live CD, I can only > read the logs if it is a systemd live CD, or I chroot into the original > system. Unless someone knows different... If the log isn't binary, what is it? Plain text? Well, I certainly can't read it just by looking at the disk surface! Yes, I know I'm being facetious, but there's no such thing as plain text on a computer. And I'm well aware of five or six or more binary text encodings - from the folowing list I think about the only one I haven't used is EBCDIC ... Okay, I said EBCDIC. Then there's ASCII - is that parity off? parity on? parity set? Then there's lines separated by <CRLF> - or is that <LF>? or is that <LF with optional trailing NULL>? And that's just the versions I know of and have met ... There's no such thing as "plain text", as anybody using samba or ftp between different types of system will testify to their cost with trashed and broken files that screwed up in transfer ... :-) Cheers, Wol