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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2024 11:31:33 +0100 Message-ID: <5982839.MhkbZ0Pkbq@rogueboard> In-Reply-To: References: Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1806847.VLH7GnMWUR"; micalg="pgp-sha256"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-PPP-Message-ID: <172743312196.3239409.1518746356621827459@cloud238.thundercloud.uk> X-PPP-Vhost: kintzios.com X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 887BC1E0006 X-Rspamd-Server: mailclean11 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.61 / 999.00]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.10)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(0.00)[kintzios.com,none]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:34931, ipnet:149.255.60.0/22, country:GB]; MISSING_XM_UA(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM(-0.00)[-0.954]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FUZZY_BLOCKED(0.00)[rspamd.com]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(0.00)[+mx]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[confabulate@kintzios.com] X-Rspamd-Action: no action X-Archives-Salt: edc96ea3-a1be-4de4-b059-8153dbeb93fa X-Archives-Hash: a6744293cb5275a8e2a6cb8379255b33 --nextPart1806847.VLH7GnMWUR Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; protected-headers="v1" From: Michael To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: confabulate@kintzios.com Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2024 11:31:33 +0100 Message-ID: <5982839.MhkbZ0Pkbq@rogueboard> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 On Thursday 26 September 2024 22:11:20 BST Dale wrote: > root@Gentoo-1 / # telnet smtp.gmail.com 587 > Trying 142.251.116.108... > Trying 2607:f8b0:4023:1000::6c... > telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Network is unreachable > root@Gentoo-1 / # > > > Can't connect. Well, that explains a lot. It can't reach anything to > log into. It looks like it is trying both IPv4 and v6. So, I used > ping. It works there. STOP RIGHT THERE! You may not have a mail application configuration problem after all (ssmtp/ msmtp), but you definitely have a network/server connectivity problem. You need to sort out the network connection first, before you look at your smtp client configuration. > root@Gentoo-1 / # ping smtp.gmail.com > PING smtp.gmail.com (142.250.115.108) 56(84) bytes of data. > 64 bytes from rq-in-f108.1e100.net (142.250.115.108): icmp_seq=1 ttl=53 > time=32.1 ms > 64 bytes from rq-in-f108.1e100.net (142.250.115.108): icmp_seq=2 ttl=53 > time=45.0 ms > 64 bytes from rq-in-f108.1e100.net (142.250.115.108): icmp_seq=3 ttl=53 > time=39.3 ms > ^C > --- smtp.gmail.com ping statistics --- > 3 packets transmitted, 3 received, 0% packet loss, time 1998ms > rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 32.062/38.776/45.017/5.299 ms > root@Gentoo-1 / # ping 142.251.116.108 > PING 142.251.116.108 (142.251.116.108) 56(84) bytes of data. > 64 bytes from 142.251.116.108: icmp_seq=1 ttl=53 time=30.4 ms > 64 bytes from 142.251.116.108: icmp_seq=2 ttl=53 time=56.0 ms > 64 bytes from 142.251.116.108: icmp_seq=3 ttl=53 time=30.6 ms > ^C > --- 142.251.116.108 ping statistics --- > 3 packets transmitted, 3 received, 0% packet loss, time 2000ms > rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 30.351/38.988/56.049/12.063 ms > root@Gentoo-1 / # So you can access the server, but not connect to the port. Can you connect to ports 25, or 465? Can you connect to 'smtp-relay.gmail.com' instead? If you cannot see an open port, then either your network is misconfigured, or you've annoyed Google enough to block your access to their smtp service. > What silly boo boo did I make this time???? > > >> I am connected through a VPN but Seamonkey works fine. I can check and > >> send email there, Ah! I have found Google logs your IP address and when this changes they may choose to block your connection to their service. Often it sends you a message in your backup email address/phone asking you to confirm if the device and new IP address you are trying to connect from is you and yours. Throwing a VPN in the works may trigger the above security (re)action, when your client is using an 'App Password' token, as opposed to the full OAUTH2 exchange. > That is true but why buy one if you can't run it? LOL This is yet > another reason I want to switch from Gmail. They nothing but nosy > anyway. I think it is common knowledge that they scan all emails and > use the info for various things, including ads, which I block by the way. Google's modus operandi is arguably predicated on recording your data, your location, your movements, your purchases, your contacts, your written/spoken word, your interests, your thoughts, etc. Selling advertisements is a monetisation mechanism to facilitate the high cost of their operation. They are not unique in this endeavor, other Big-Tech quasi-monopolies are performing the same role. The offer of 'free' internet services is the honeypot used to attract footfall. --nextPart1806847.VLH7GnMWUR Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. 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