From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MqzJB-0000Qj-Dg for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 01:09:13 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D3254E089D; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 01:09:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com (mail-yx0-f189.google.com [209.85.210.189]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADBFEE089D for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 01:09:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxe27 with SMTP id 27so2660102yxe.10 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 2009 18:09:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=tlHhQnYwoUUQHTGusoS+T0hB+4t7N2ydLgyjt0oQCv0=; b=fLbWbu0Qse4YoKmCYv6scTBpdToXvrTM2yia9/keHTiyeLqrlic+MgbaCGNNIV/iDz qw+cC2qPQsv8iZID1p4CWNA25Z6uKGBIWtcGWjYPPTUea2Wvu2t+/kIvksctM1CpRhAv dJwgZ9wrAChlxgix6KVHb4xs5qgporFyNfTLQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=qzDveW0vI5T/kUcTLS2lyTCNjPwqIwvqNDAR3zUYg2nHuUx+505eeZUHDmgNR//KIR p0u74bfieIroOi+up31QaEqVe9k3Z1RgmkefM0k1a/FFZbzdFeEFSbHhZsbxv/esg93g cLQfN1nDUt8In85I/Y/IWtXZM3MTNKejs+IhY= Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: paul.hartman@gmail.com Received: by 10.150.130.36 with SMTP id c36mr1118813ybd.290.1253840951411; Thu, 24 Sep 2009 18:09:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4ABC15EB.50105@gmail.com> References: <4ABAE27E.8070400@gmail.com> <4ABAFFCF.1060204@badapple.net> <4ABBBD7A.1050004@gmail.com> <58965d8a0909241202j21b66a0co6f488245700daf99@mail.gmail.com> <4ABBC4FA.207@gmail.com> <58965d8a0909241221l406b5d62i442ee680efd7caa7@mail.gmail.com> <4ABBC893.9020701@gmail.com> <4ABC15EB.50105@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 20:09:11 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 314619f372f5b517 Message-ID: <58965d8a0909241809r50fde333l6cbe81ab2a30b639@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Good fast IDE hard drive but cheap and BIG. From: Paul Hartman To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Archives-Salt: d6bbf27d-1e9d-48e3-91a7-dbb021a1a4ab X-Archives-Hash: 875d4460d377c0cf605318c7dfc8a5a3 On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 7:59 PM, Dale wrote: > walt wrote: >> On 09/24/2009 12:29 PM, Dale wrote: >> >>> USB. There is another idea. Ooops, out of USB plugs too. Crap, I >>> can't put in a drive without buying something to plug it into. LOL I >>> do have USB 2.0 on here. I have to have 2.0 for the printer but my >>> camera has to have 1.0. Weird I know. >> >> There are so many interesting posts in this thread I don't know which >> one to reply to :o) Just FYI, USB 3 has just been ratified, so we can >> expect ultra-fast USB-3 drives in the (near?) future, which should be as >> fast or faster than SATA-II. >> >> The point I really want to make is regarding your question about which >> disk drive to buy. I have drives from three different manufacturers at >> the moment, and they are all superb and incredibly cheap -- but that low >> cost comes at a price (does that make any sense?). >> >> I've had to return two drives in the last three years or so because of >> catastrophic failure while still under warranty (amazing!). In both >> cases the replacement drives have been absolutely perfect for years now. >> >> In other words, disk manufacturers have apparently decided to abandon >> strict quality control in favor of low price, and seem happy to replace >> failed drives as a substitute for quality control. It must be a >> profitable >> strategy because they all seem to be doing it. But be prepared for drive >> failures from *every* manufacturer -- and then buy whatever is on sale >> for >> the lowest price. >> >> >> > > One thing I have noticed about hard drives in my experience. When you > plug that puppy in and power it up, let it run for a good long while. > Overnight is good, a few days is even better, a week or more is even > better still from the mechanical point of view. I remember this from > when I rebuilt my Moms old motor in her car years ago. It said in the > book and from several mechanics, once you crank it, run it for at least > 30 minutes and at different rpms. The longer the better. It should get > to its normal temperature before even thinking about cutting it off. Do > NOT cut the engine off unless it is really serious. The first few > minutes that a motor runs is crucial. If you start it and just run it a > couple minutes, it won't ever be the same. I was also told that driving > it is really good. > > I also remember this from way back when I was working on puters. I got > a new job when winder 3.1 came out. Anyway. If a electronic device can > survive the first couple to six months of usage, they usually last a > while from the electronic point of view. That is short of spilling your > beer in it or it getting hit by lightening or something like that. I > have two 80Gb drives right now. One is a Maxtor and the other is a > Western Digital. I bet there is a few people on this list that hate > each one because they had one that failed. I haven't had any trouble > with mine at all. They all fail eventually tho. I just hope one of > mine fails when there is nothing important on it is all. ;-) > > Still comparing all the options. I got to start looking for a good SATA > drive now. Just when I had a decent IDE drive all picked out too. LOL When you look at hard drive reviews, they tend to be either 5 stars ("Perfect! Never a problem after 10 years!") or 0 stars ("Horrible, died after 2 minutes! I got 2 more and they did the same thing!" etc). I don't think there are a lot of ways for a hard drive to go bad without it being catastrophic. Maybe bad sectors... but I consider that catastrophic because they always seem to spread like cancer. If there is one bad sector on a drive, I simply can't trust it. That being said, I've had lots of hard drives from many brands and the best combinations of price/speed/reliability I've had is Samsung. I'm using 6 of them right now and after 2+ years of 24/7 usage none has died yet. I'm sure someone here will have a horror story about a Samsung drive to add to this thread. :)