From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MoObS-0007RK-6K for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 17 Sep 2009 21:33:22 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 75679E0817; Thu, 17 Sep 2009 21:33:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yw0-f196.google.com (mail-yw0-f196.google.com [209.85.211.196]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E44DE0817 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2009 21:33:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywh34 with SMTP id 34so584708ywh.10 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2009 14:33:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=5Srzu2GvJu8SYUItsFMvaM6YNY2WvaqkknQgzB6Mbgc=; b=ij/f9WgYoF1TusGKIISHApe7QA9VL/BiC1/2P8ViOKBp8oEyeEJrrWbr/I2h3sV8jq bSnKTXsJrHzX3pgyhQHqRrPkerM49ZtLdoJ9EaJj6SCcYfsNKVD4gEMFl+pUBCYWrusK 7b7x8aaAJ6W5A7Tb7HiqjVcRxscDva9vhU1no= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=HUWane19ZUcEU+Z81YKqKMNtAa1zH5XwWrzh5l5NP2Sltz0LO66vNcg8SLz4Mi9vwy 4NWDwf8IzU6IDAZAoosRdpjGFHg2hrywslKFNYui5x29PinYVvEp+roK38ShONGVaXsS HtsGlvQb2EtO1gC8d6KGGm1owCw8wQ4rt4S4o= Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: paul.hartman@gmail.com Received: by 10.150.5.2 with SMTP id 2mr1904062ybe.300.1253223199912; Thu, 17 Sep 2009 14:33:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090917201649.GA5052@ca.inter.net> References: <20090916214440.GA4838@ca.inter.net> <58965d8a0909170858q243aeb81y5b7ffbdfa305b5e3@mail.gmail.com> <20090917201649.GA5052@ca.inter.net> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 16:33:19 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 5350a11897e60baf Message-ID: <58965d8a0909171433h581e2dbcn8e1058267e7f23e0@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.3.1 query From: Paul Hartman To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Archives-Salt: 3c2fa91d-7dba-4ddb-bfac-6f1b4beae0ef X-Archives-Hash: 609926f643cdce11f81b5d45f3e554f2 On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Philip Webb wrote: > 090917 Paul Hartman wrote: >> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Philip Webb wrote: >>> Konsole 4.3.1 -- it seems impossible to predetermine window size; >> It saves its size properly for me. >> For specifying a size (not restoring the last-used size), >> in KDE you can specify extensive window placement and geometry profiles >> for windows by right-clicking on the titlebar >> and choosing "Configure window behavior...". >> I have no idea about Fluxbox. > > That doesn't work in Fluxbox. It will accept 'konsole --geometry ... ', > but that has no effect on window size; you can set a single size by hand > in konsolerc , but there's no apparent way to do that for profiles. > The big attraction of Konsole 3 is that it has so many options. > For me, it's a show-stopper & if it isn't fixed in 4.4.1 , I'll use Xterm. You're right, I just tried and I can get the window size and position with xterm -geometry 80x25-50+50 (for example) but --geometry 80x25-50+50 has no effect at all on Konsole. Looks like it may be a problem with more than just Konsole: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=165355 >>> Okular 4.3.1 -- usable, but no noticeable improvement on Kpdf 3.5.10 . >> Okular does so much more than Kpdf it's not even funny. >> http://okular.kde.org/formats.php > > Yes, another day's use suggests it renders PDFs better than Kpdf > (that's what I use it for) & it does show JPGs properly too. > That complaint is withdrawn (tho' there's an ugly wide bar on the left side). I think it has better support for things like PDF forms as well, though I usually still have to use the real Adobe reader for those. >>> Konqueror 4.3.1 -- no way to import bookmarks, >> Konqueror has more import options than any other browser I've ever seen! >> There are extensive "Import" and "Export" menus in the bookmarks editor. > > It appears you have to install another pkg to get this > -- it's not a Gentoo dependency -- , but manually copying them works too. > I rarely use Konqueror, but it's useful occasionally. It is a dependency on my system. Unless you have specifically disabled the "bookmarks" USE flag, in which case the problem would be one of your own making. :) >From the konqueror-4.3.1.ebuild: IUSE="+auth +bookmarks debug +handbook thumbnail" RDEPEND="${DEPEND} >=kde-base/kdebase-kioslaves-${PV}:${SLOT}[kdeprefix=] >=kde-base/keditfiletype-${PV}:${SLOT}[kdeprefix=] >=kde-base/kfind-${PV}:${SLOT}[kdeprefix=] >=kde-base/kfmclient-${PV}:${SLOT}[kdeprefix=] >=kde-base/kurifilter-plugins-${PV}:${SLOT}[kdeprefix=] auth? ( >=kde-base/kpasswdserver-${PV}:${SLOT}[kdeprefix=] ) bookmarks? ( >=kde-base/keditbookmarks-${PV}:${SLOT}[kdeprefix=] ) " >>> Kmahjongg 4.3.1 -- they've abolished the grid of removed tiles ! >> According to a single google search for "kmahjongg removed tiles", >> the primary author of Kmahjongg stated he removed that feature in 2006. > > No, it's present in 3.5.10 , which I'm using (I just played a game with it). > It's another feature which has been dropped in KDE 4 , > like setting the size of a Konsole window when you open it (above). > Another show-stopper, but perhaps the gods want me to get out more (smile). Right, but in 2006 he had already moved on to KDE4 development and removed the feature you are missing from the current version (4.something). 3.5.10 may be the latest KDE3 version, but it's not "The" current version. :) >>> Gwenview 4.3.1 -- yes, an improvement on the old independent Gwenview, >>> esp the tree menu, but also rendering of images + thumbnails. >> I don't use it, but it seems to do its job. >> I prefer Geeqie because I am more used to its keyboard navigation. > > Gwenview 4 is a noticeable improvement. My all-time favorite image viewer was PMView on OS/2, but there's no Linux version... :( >>> Krusader 2.0.0 -- my choice for heavy lifting: no noticeable change. >> I've never tried it. > > It's very powerful. The new version seems to be the same but for KDE 4 . > I'm happy to use the CLI for everyday file management. I'll give it a try. I normally use midnight commander but GUI can be more convenient for some tasks. >>> I won't comment on the aesthetics of the brave new KDE ... >> It's different, but I like it. It has grown on me over time. >> KDE3 looks plain and old-fashioned now when I go back and see it. > > Like another respondent (and many others), I prefer "plain & old-fashioned". > We have street cars (trams) running by the end of my street, > as they have since 1892, which is why we have healthy neighbourhoods here, > but go-ahead modern cities like NY & London wiped them out long ago (grin). Well, since you're not using KDE desktop environment it doesn't affect you anyway. :) But in KDE4 there are still the KDE3-style window decorations such as Keramik, Quartz and Plastik, and the same old-fashioned widget styles like CDE and Motif. Someone can make KDE4 look very similar to KDE3 if they want to. I'm personally using QtCurve for KDE & GTK+ widget styles, Oxygen for window decorations, and Oxygen for the desktop theme (I like the dark colors).