[gentoo-user] --depclean and python needed by scribus.

[gentoo-user] --depclean and python needed by scribus.

[Dale]

Hi folks,

Can someone tell me what this means? 

root@smoker / # emerge -p --depclean

 * Always study the list of packages to be cleaned for any obvious
 * mistakes. Packages that are part of the world set will always
 * be kept.  They can be manually added to this set with
 * `emerge --noreplace <atom>`.  Packages that are listed in
 * package.provided (see portage(5)) will be removed by
 * depclean, even if they are part of the world set.
 *
 * As a safety measure, depclean will not remove any packages
 * unless *all* required dependencies have been resolved.  As a
 * consequence, it is often necessary to run `emerge --update
 * --newuse --deep @system @world` prior to depclean.

Calculating dependencies... done!
>>> Checking for lib consumers...
>>> Assigning files to packages...
 * In order to avoid breakage of link level dependencies, one or more
 * packages will not be removed. This can be solved by rebuilding the
 * packages that pulled them in.
 *
 *   dev-lang/python-2.5.4-r3 pulled in by:
 *     app-office/scribus-1.3.3.11
 *
>>> Adding lib providers to graph...
 \
Calculating dependencies... done!


I have re-compiled scribus about three times now.  I have also ran
python-updater a few times and it just keeps rebuilding scribus and
boost in a endless loop.  What am I missing here?

Thanks.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] --depclean and python needed by scribus.

[Alan McKinnon]

On Wednesday 09 September 2009 13:43:13 Dale wrote:
> Hi folks,
> 
> Can someone tell me what this means?
> 
> root@smoker / # emerge -p --depclean
> 
>  * Always study the list of packages to be cleaned for any obvious
>  * mistakes. Packages that are part of the world set will always
>  * be kept.  They can be manually added to this set with
>  * `emerge --noreplace <atom>`.  Packages that are listed in
>  * package.provided (see portage(5)) will be removed by
>  * depclean, even if they are part of the world set.
>  *
>  * As a safety measure, depclean will not remove any packages
>  * unless *all* required dependencies have been resolved.  As a
>  * consequence, it is often necessary to run `emerge --update
>  * --newuse --deep @system @world` prior to depclean.
> 
> Calculating dependencies... done!
> 
> >>> Checking for lib consumers...
> >>> Assigning files to packages...
> 
>  * In order to avoid breakage of link level dependencies, one or more
>  * packages will not be removed. This can be solved by rebuilding the
>  * packages that pulled them in.
>  *
>  *   dev-lang/python-2.5.4-r3 pulled in by:
>  *     app-office/scribus-1.3.3.11
>  *
> 
> >>> Adding lib providers to graph...
> 
>  \
> Calculating dependencies... done!
> 
> 
> I have re-compiled scribus about three times now.  I have also ran
> python-updater a few times and it just keeps rebuilding scribus and
> boost in a endless loop.  What am I missing here?

This is horrible to solve. I'll tell you what I've discovered when it happens 
to me. But first, the error message is generic and a best guess - "rebuilding 
the packages that pulled them in" might work, but also might not.

The superficial problem is broken ebuilds caused by the real problem - broken 
build scripts that configure themselves in funky ways at build time. Real 
example, I have this on my machine:

*   dev-db/edb-9999 pulled in by:
*     media-libs/imlib2_loaders-9999

and

nazgul mysql # eix imlib2_loaders
[I] media-libs/imlib2_loaders [1]
     Installed versions:  9999(18:33:40 09/06/09)(-doc -edb -nls)

and 

# ldd /usr/lib64/imlib2/loaders/*.so | grep edb
        libedb.so.1 => /usr/lib/libedb.so.1 (0x00007f33bf139000)

So, edb is nowhere in the dependency graph for imlib2_loaders (USE=-edb). 
Portage *knows* it should not depend on edb at all.

But, when imlib2_loaders builds, ./configure finds edb on the system (I have 
it, I just don't want support for it in imlib2_loaders). The ./configure is 
broken - there is no "--enable edb" in it.

Now this always just happened to work just fine for all of us. Recent portage 
know records link level deps when it builds stuff (see ldd above) so now 
concludes (correctly) that imlib2_loaders does not depend on edb per portage, 
but does per the actual system.

It is now clear that I now have two and only two options:

- Unmerge edb. This might not be desirable and I should not be forced to do 
this.
- Build imlib2_loaders with edb support. This also might not be desirable.

Actually there's a third option: fix the e17 team's broken build scripts.

In your case, I think you need to rebuild scribus with "USE=python"

Note that portage can't really help you diagnose these issues, it can only 
point them out. It has no idea that the inconsistency is due to that USE flag 
(it can't read human-speak).

You also can't DEPEND on scribus[python] as

1. The dep is the wrong way round
2. It's actually force USE=python for scribus if, and only if, python is 
actually already present on the system. This is also the wrong way round and 
portage should not be expected to implement funky run-time detection 
workarounds for broken ./configure scripts.

I did tell you at the beginning that it was complex, right?


-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] --depclean and python needed by scribus.

[Mark Knecht]

On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 4:43 AM, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> Can someone tell me what this means?
>
> root@smoker / # emerge -p --depclean
>
>  * Always study the list of packages to be cleaned for any obvious
>  * mistakes. Packages that are part of the world set will always
>  * be kept.  They can be manually added to this set with
>  * `emerge --noreplace <atom>`.  Packages that are listed in
>  * package.provided (see portage(5)) will be removed by
>  * depclean, even if they are part of the world set.
>  *
>  * As a safety measure, depclean will not remove any packages
>  * unless *all* required dependencies have been resolved.  As a
>  * consequence, it is often necessary to run `emerge --update
>  * --newuse --deep @system @world` prior to depclean.
>
> Calculating dependencies... done!
>>>> Checking for lib consumers...
>>>> Assigning files to packages...
>  * In order to avoid breakage of link level dependencies, one or more
>  * packages will not be removed. This can be solved by rebuilding the
>  * packages that pulled them in.
>  *
>  *   dev-lang/python-2.5.4-r3 pulled in by:
>  *     app-office/scribus-1.3.3.11
>  *
>>>> Adding lib providers to graph...
>  \
> Calculating dependencies... done!
>
>
> I have re-compiled scribus about three times now.  I have also ran
> python-updater a few times and it just keeps rebuilding scribus and
> boost in a endless loop.  What am I missing here?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Dale
>
> :-)  :-)
>
>

Possibly scribus isn't compatible with python-2.6? The few times I've
run into this with depclean I've removed the app (scribus in this
case) cleaned up the machine with depclean and revdep-rebuild, and
then reinstalled the app from scratch. If it tries to pull in
phython-2.5 then you just have to make a choice whether you want it or
not. (Or look for a mased ebuild, etc.

- Mark

Re: [gentoo-user] --depclean and python needed by scribus.

[Dale]

Mark Knecht wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 4:43 AM, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> Can someone tell me what this means?
>>
>> root@smoker / # emerge -p --depclean
>>
>>  * Always study the list of packages to be cleaned for any obvious
>>  * mistakes. Packages that are part of the world set will always
>>  * be kept.  They can be manually added to this set with
>>  * `emerge --noreplace <atom>`.  Packages that are listed in
>>  * package.provided (see portage(5)) will be removed by
>>  * depclean, even if they are part of the world set.
>>  *
>>  * As a safety measure, depclean will not remove any packages
>>  * unless *all* required dependencies have been resolved.  As a
>>  * consequence, it is often necessary to run `emerge --update
>>  * --newuse --deep @system @world` prior to depclean.
>>
>> Calculating dependencies... done!
>>     
>>>>> Checking for lib consumers...
>>>>> Assigning files to packages...
>>>>>           
>>  * In order to avoid breakage of link level dependencies, one or more
>>  * packages will not be removed. This can be solved by rebuilding the
>>  * packages that pulled them in.
>>  *
>>  *   dev-lang/python-2.5.4-r3 pulled in by:
>>  *     app-office/scribus-1.3.3.11
>>  *
>>     
>>>>> Adding lib providers to graph...
>>>>>           
>>  \
>> Calculating dependencies... done!
>>
>>
>> I have re-compiled scribus about three times now.  I have also ran
>> python-updater a few times and it just keeps rebuilding scribus and
>> boost in a endless loop.  What am I missing here?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Dale
>>
>> :-)  :-)
>>
>>
>>     
>
> Possibly scribus isn't compatible with python-2.6? The few times I've
> run into this with depclean I've removed the app (scribus in this
> case) cleaned up the machine with depclean and revdep-rebuild, and
> then reinstalled the app from scratch. If it tries to pull in
> phython-2.5 then you just have to make a choice whether you want it or
> not. (Or look for a mased ebuild, etc.
>
> - Mark
>
>
>   

LOL  Since I would rather try to remove Scribus than python, I'll remove
Scribus, do some cleaning, then reinstall and see what happens.  We all
know what could happen if I remove python that portage is using.  o_O

I'll report back if it continues after all this.  Thanks to both Alan
and Mark on this one.  I was getting drunk going around in circles with
this. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] --depclean and python needed by scribus.

[Alan McKinnon]

On Wednesday 09 September 2009 14:45:36 Dale wrote:
> I'll report back if it continues after all this.  Thanks to both Alan
> and Mark on this one.  I was getting drunk going around in circles with
> this. 
> 

Let us know if "USE=python" really is the solution. I've been meaning to write 
this up at b.g.o. for a while now

-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] --depclean and python needed by scribus.

[Mark Knecht]

On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 5:45 AM, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
> Mark Knecht wrote:
>> On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 4:43 AM, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi folks,
>>>
>>> Can someone tell me what this means?
>>>
>>> root@smoker / # emerge -p --depclean
>>>
>>>  * Always study the list of packages to be cleaned for any obvious
>>>  * mistakes. Packages that are part of the world set will always
>>>  * be kept.  They can be manually added to this set with
>>>  * `emerge --noreplace <atom>`.  Packages that are listed in
>>>  * package.provided (see portage(5)) will be removed by
>>>  * depclean, even if they are part of the world set.
>>>  *
>>>  * As a safety measure, depclean will not remove any packages
>>>  * unless *all* required dependencies have been resolved.  As a
>>>  * consequence, it is often necessary to run `emerge --update
>>>  * --newuse --deep @system @world` prior to depclean.
>>>
>>> Calculating dependencies... done!
>>>
>>>>>> Checking for lib consumers...
>>>>>> Assigning files to packages...
>>>>>>
>>>  * In order to avoid breakage of link level dependencies, one or more
>>>  * packages will not be removed. This can be solved by rebuilding the
>>>  * packages that pulled them in.
>>>  *
>>>  *   dev-lang/python-2.5.4-r3 pulled in by:
>>>  *     app-office/scribus-1.3.3.11
>>>  *
>>>
>>>>>> Adding lib providers to graph...
>>>>>>
>>>  \
>>> Calculating dependencies... done!
>>>
>>>
>>> I have re-compiled scribus about three times now.  I have also ran
>>> python-updater a few times and it just keeps rebuilding scribus and
>>> boost in a endless loop.  What am I missing here?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Dale
>>>
>>> :-)  :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Possibly scribus isn't compatible with python-2.6? The few times I've
>> run into this with depclean I've removed the app (scribus in this
>> case) cleaned up the machine with depclean and revdep-rebuild, and
>> then reinstalled the app from scratch. If it tries to pull in
>> phython-2.5 then you just have to make a choice whether you want it or
>> not. (Or look for a mased ebuild, etc.
>>
>> - Mark
>>
>>
>>
>
> LOL  Since I would rather try to remove Scribus than python, I'll remove
> Scribus, do some cleaning, then reinstall and see what happens.  We all
> know what could happen if I remove python that portage is using.  o_O
>
> I'll report back if it continues after all this.  Thanks to both Alan
> and Mark on this one.  I was getting drunk going around in circles with
> this.
>
> Dale
>
> :-)  :-)
>
>

I assume you've installed python-2.6 as part of emerge @system or
@world and then run python-updater? That process has worked on my
machines but I don't use too many office apps.

Good luck!

Cheers,
Mark

Re: [gentoo-user] --depclean and python needed by scribus.

[Dale]

Mark Knecht wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 5:45 AM, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>> Mark Knecht wrote:
>>     
>>>
>>> Possibly scribus isn't compatible with python-2.6? The few times I've
>>> run into this with depclean I've removed the app (scribus in this
>>> case) cleaned up the machine with depclean and revdep-rebuild, and
>>> then reinstalled the app from scratch. If it tries to pull in
>>> phython-2.5 then you just have to make a choice whether you want it or
>>> not. (Or look for a mased ebuild, etc.
>>>
>>> - Mark
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>> LOL  Since I would rather try to remove Scribus than python, I'll remove
>> Scribus, do some cleaning, then reinstall and see what happens.  We all
>> know what could happen if I remove python that portage is using.  o_O
>>
>> I'll report back if it continues after all this.  Thanks to both Alan
>> and Mark on this one.  I was getting drunk going around in circles with
>> this.
>>
>> Dale
>>
>> :-)  :-)
>>
>>
>>     
>
> I assume you've installed python-2.6 as part of emerge @system or
> @world and then run python-updater? That process has worked on my
> machines but I don't use too many office apps.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Cheers,
> Mark
>
>
>   

Yes, I ran python-updater after the last python upgrade which was a week
or so ago.  I just hadn't ran --depclean yet.  Needless to say, OOo just
had to be recompiled too.  It always does.  Usually, about a week later,
they have a upgrade for OOo which means I get to warm up my CPU again. 
Never fails.  :/

So far, I have unmerged scribus, ran revdep-rebuild which didn't
complain about anything this time and I am currently reinstalling
scribus.  No errors so far.

I didn't get to test the python USE flag tho.  According to emerge -pv
scribus, it doesn't have that flag. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] --depclean and python needed by scribus.

[Dale]

Dale wrote:
>   
>   
>
> Yes, I ran python-updater after the last python upgrade which was a week
> or so ago.  I just hadn't ran --depclean yet.  Needless to say, OOo just
> had to be recompiled too.  It always does.  Usually, about a week later,
> they have a upgrade for OOo which means I get to warm up my CPU again. 
> Never fails.  :/
>
> So far, I have unmerged scribus, ran revdep-rebuild which didn't
> complain about anything this time and I am currently reinstalling
> scribus.  No errors so far.
>
> I didn't get to test the python USE flag tho.  According to emerge -pv
> scribus, it doesn't have that flag. 
>
> Dale
>
> :-)  :-) 
>
>   

Scribus installed with no error and portage is happy all the way around. 

Thanks guys,

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] --depclean and python needed by scribus.

[Mark Knecht]

On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 6:25 AM, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
> Mark Knecht wrote:
>> On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 5:45 AM, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Mark Knecht wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Possibly scribus isn't compatible with python-2.6? The few times I've
>>>> run into this with depclean I've removed the app (scribus in this
>>>> case) cleaned up the machine with depclean and revdep-rebuild, and
>>>> then reinstalled the app from scratch. If it tries to pull in
>>>> phython-2.5 then you just have to make a choice whether you want it or
>>>> not. (Or look for a mased ebuild, etc.
>>>>
>>>> - Mark
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> LOL  Since I would rather try to remove Scribus than python, I'll remove
>>> Scribus, do some cleaning, then reinstall and see what happens.  We all
>>> know what could happen if I remove python that portage is using.  o_O
>>>
>>> I'll report back if it continues after all this.  Thanks to both Alan
>>> and Mark on this one.  I was getting drunk going around in circles with
>>> this.
>>>
>>> Dale
>>>
>>> :-)  :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I assume you've installed python-2.6 as part of emerge @system or
>> @world and then run python-updater? That process has worked on my
>> machines but I don't use too many office apps.
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>
> Yes, I ran python-updater after the last python upgrade which was a week
> or so ago.  I just hadn't ran --depclean yet.  Needless to say, OOo just
> had to be recompiled too.  It always does.  Usually, about a week later,
> they have a upgrade for OOo which means I get to warm up my CPU again.
> Never fails.  :/
>
> So far, I have unmerged scribus, ran revdep-rebuild which didn't
> complain about anything this time and I am currently reinstalling
> scribus.  No errors so far.
>
> I didn't get to test the python USE flag tho.  According to emerge -pv
> scribus, it doesn't have that flag.
>
> Dale
>
> :-)  :-)

You actually compile OO? Wow! OO-bin for me. Couple of minutes and
it's installed.

Glad you got the problem fixed.

Cheers,
Mark

Re: [gentoo-user] --depclean and python needed by scribus.

[Paul Hartman]

On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com> wrote:
> You actually compile OO? Wow! OO-bin for me. Couple of minutes and
> it's installed.

Same here. I compiled it for a long time (double meaning!), but when I
realized the amount of time spent compiling it was greater than the
amount of time spent using it... I decided to go oo-bin as well.

Re: [gentoo-user] --depclean and python needed by scribus.

[Mark Knecht]

On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 8:40 AM, Paul Hartman
<paul.hartman+gentoo@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com> wrote:
>> You actually compile OO? Wow! OO-bin for me. Couple of minutes and
>> it's installed.
>
> Same here. I compiled it for a long time (double meaning!), but when I
> realized the amount of time spent compiling it was greater than the
> amount of time spent using it... I decided to go oo-bin as well.
>
>

I haven't even tried KDE on Gentoo due to compile times, but less OO.
No patience for that stuff.

I'm just about ready to build my first new desktop PC in 4 years and
will have to decide on the very highest AMD Phenom II X4 965 @ 3.4Ghz
vs one of the new Intel i5 or i7's. No matter what I choose I might
finally be able to build KDE in maybe a few hours.

- Mark

Re: [gentoo-user] --depclean and python needed by scribus.

[Paul Hartman]

On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 8:40 AM, Paul Hartman
> <paul.hartman+gentoo@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> You actually compile OO? Wow! OO-bin for me. Couple of minutes and
>>> it's installed.
>>
>> Same here. I compiled it for a long time (double meaning!), but when I
>> realized the amount of time spent compiling it was greater than the
>> amount of time spent using it... I decided to go oo-bin as well.
>>
>>
>
> I haven't even tried KDE on Gentoo due to compile times, but less OO.
> No patience for that stuff.
>
> I'm just about ready to build my first new desktop PC in 4 years and
> will have to decide on the very highest AMD Phenom II X4 965 @ 3.4Ghz
> vs one of the new Intel i5 or i7's. No matter what I choose I might
> finally be able to build KDE in maybe a few hours.

I have Core 2 E6600 overclocked 25%, using /dev/shm for portage tmpdir
and kdelibs4 compiles in about 20 minutes, give or take a couple
minutes depending on system load.

My last openoffice emerge was 1 hour 34 minutes. My last
openoffice-bin emerge was 29 seconds. :)

Re: [gentoo-user] --depclean and python needed by scribus.

[Neil Bothwick]

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> Same here. I compiled it for a long time (double meaning!), but when I
> realized the amount of time spent compiling it was greater than the
> amount of time spent using it... I decided to go oo-bin as well.

You spend time compiling OOo? I just let the computer get on with it in
the background :-O


-- 
Neil Bothwick

It's 21st Century. Where are all the flying cars? I was
promised flying cars!

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Re: [gentoo-user] --depclean and python needed by scribus.

[Paul Hartman]

On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk> wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Sep 2009 10:40:05 -0500, Paul Hartman wrote:
>
>> Same here. I compiled it for a long time (double meaning!), but when I
>> realized the amount of time spent compiling it was greater than the
>> amount of time spent using it... I decided to go oo-bin as well.
>
> You spend time compiling OOo? I just let the computer get on with it in
> the background :-O

Sure, of course I'm not staring at the gcc lines scrolling by, but it
gets in the way of compiling other things and causes unnecessary (in
my case) CPU and power load for a program I use only rarely.
Especially on slower machines, like my laptop which takes something
like 4 hours to compile openoffice. In that case I think gentoo in
general may not be the right choice (since, again, I spend more time
emerging than I do actually using the laptop), but I don't like any
other distro so whatever. :)

Google Docs has replaced most of what little I ever use OOo for
(opening random "office" files people send me), so the -bin package
may be dismissed from my machines in the near future too. ;)

Re: [gentoo-user] --depclean and python needed by scribus.

[Mark Knecht]

On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 8:56 AM, Paul Hartman
<paul.hartman+gentoo@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 8:40 AM, Paul Hartman
>> <paul.hartman+gentoo@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> You actually compile OO? Wow! OO-bin for me. Couple of minutes and
>>>> it's installed.
>>>
>>> Same here. I compiled it for a long time (double meaning!), but when I
>>> realized the amount of time spent compiling it was greater than the
>>> amount of time spent using it... I decided to go oo-bin as well.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I haven't even tried KDE on Gentoo due to compile times, but less OO.
>> No patience for that stuff.
>>
>> I'm just about ready to build my first new desktop PC in 4 years and
>> will have to decide on the very highest AMD Phenom II X4 965 @ 3.4Ghz
>> vs one of the new Intel i5 or i7's. No matter what I choose I might
>> finally be able to build KDE in maybe a few hours.
>
> I have Core 2 E6600 overclocked 25%, using /dev/shm for portage tmpdir
> and kdelibs4 compiles in about 20 minutes, give or take a couple
> minutes depending on system load.
>
> My last openoffice emerge was 1 hour 34 minutes. My last
> openoffice-bin emerge was 29 seconds. :)
>
>

kdelibs on any of my machines is at least an hour - probably 2. I'm
running things like a 4 year old 3Ghz single core Athlon 64-bit. I
suspect that the newer processors would change that significantly. ;-)

- Mark

Re: [gentoo-user] --depclean and python needed by scribus.

[Dale]

Mark Knecht wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 8:40 AM, Paul Hartman
> <paul.hartman+gentoo@gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>> On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com> wrote:
>>     
>>> You actually compile OO? Wow! OO-bin for me. Couple of minutes and
>>> it's installed.
>>>       
>> Same here. I compiled it for a long time (double meaning!), but when I
>> realized the amount of time spent compiling it was greater than the
>> amount of time spent using it... I decided to go oo-bin as well.
>>
>>
>>     
>
> I haven't even tried KDE on Gentoo due to compile times, but less OO.
> No patience for that stuff.
>
> I'm just about ready to build my first new desktop PC in 4 years and
> will have to decide on the very highest AMD Phenom II X4 965 @ 3.4Ghz
> vs one of the new Intel i5 or i7's. No matter what I choose I might
> finally be able to build KDE in maybe a few hours.
>
> - Mark
>
>
>   

I'm going for the AMD myself.  It's just in the planning but no money
saved up yet.  Currently I have a AMD 2500+ with 2Gb of ram. 

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] --depclean and python needed by scribus.

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Wed, 9 Sep 2009 11:29:10 -0500, Paul Hartman wrote:

> Sure, of course I'm not staring at the gcc lines scrolling by, but it
> gets in the way of compiling other things and causes unnecessary (in
> my case) CPU and power load for a program I use only rarely.
> Especially on slower machines, like my laptop which takes something
> like 4 hours to compile openoffice. In that case I think gentoo in
> general may not be the right choice (since, again, I spend more time
> emerging than I do actually using the laptop), but I don't like any
> other distro so whatever. :)

With my 900MHz Eee, I've copied its filesystems to a directory on
my desktop that I use as a chroot, with FEATURES="buildpkg", then use
emerge -k on the Eee (both have the same PKGDIR over NFS). So it still
takes 90 mins to install openoffice,and the startup speed advantage of
the source package is particularly useful on a slow box.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

"Criminal Lawyer" is a redundancy.

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