From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LPNVJ-0002RS-SF for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 20 Jan 2009 20:47:22 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D4914E0538; Tue, 20 Jan 2009 20:47:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com (rv-out-0708.google.com [209.85.198.245]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1AEFE0538 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2009 20:47:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b17so3613757rvf.46 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2009 12:47:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=5DLdqoxqHofAcze05lD2Z4SiOuvnIte3p4vccIbQMnU=; b=oFPeDdH07SyuKl8VZe0+NJ6s+uJ7fBWMNiNA7F7/333Km24ceZ/yut9FoRuZSgedey 9ynR0z9VBpu2V7D69L6sfq61a808YTXsUj/9TIdu0u+jIAEs5q75l+gd9T8+06DbadNV rF4M2s8eJ+ROwpP3IEjK/OQ2SzRN0MqEicyjk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=ipYmvzroczt0q35wwUIEwyUEseeEgqMW5xjXyJnBMBogP5dguUYxpxAxDmorZCnFpz ciiSqFKiEWPyw2GlIp7S3Zm/i563sTkMgI+Hnh1YAUYYM80z7vFDkIUc8blsxi8vbdwF G4YLxkcJhEXqNEIouKY0/BaeeAtpOuwWPH7Fw= Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: paul.hartman@gmail.com Received: by 10.140.157.5 with SMTP id f5mr3568778rve.122.1232484438042; Tue, 20 Jan 2009 12:47:18 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <497635EA.8070908@gmail.com> References: <5bdc1c8b0901200938y7b7faff1lc4aba77987f783d7@mail.gmail.com> <497635EA.8070908@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 14:47:18 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ac3e5054e9155e4d Message-ID: <58965d8a0901201247w4f8229cbib4d5451adb39e9b@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Anxiousness? [was:Tips/Tricks for Gentoo on low-spec computer?] From: Paul Hartman To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 90b2c4a5-fdbb-4bd4-93ea-c38746ea3010 X-Archives-Hash: 13bc36f39954e60118311e3ee9d969be On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 2:36 PM, b.n. wrote: > Mark Knecht ha scritto: > >> The one thing I would respectfully suggest is that you carefully >> build your own portage overlay. My experience with Gentoo over the >> last few years is that there is a _anxiousness_ in the portage >> maintainer area to move newer revisions of software into portage >> quickly and then just as quickly to remove from portage what users are >> currently using. > > Really? > > I am usually a bit annoyed by the contrary. On an almost 1-year old > Kubuntu (8.04 Hardy Heron) I can find packages that are just barely x86 > stable now on Gentoo. > > A couple of examples I am aware of: > Firefox 3: stable just since one month on Gentoo x86, was included in KB8.04 > Qtiplot: 0.9.x stable and working on KB8.04, all releases ~x86 (and a > hell to compile on a stable system -still didn't manage to do it) in Gentoo. > > Python releases are often behind, and not mentioning KDE 4, which is > even default on 8.10 Kubuntu and on Gentoo was still hardmasked last > time I checked (but probably Gentoo is just right in this respect, > everyone keeps telling me to wait before digging into KDE 4). > > I fully understand that there are good reasons for that, and that the > meta-distribution status of Gentoo makes harder to check packages (and > also that the Ubuntu folks wildly release unstable stuff... firefox 3 rc > in 8.04, for example). I just feel that (stable) Gentoo is actually a > bit *behind* the average Linux distribution in its revisions of software. > > Most importantly, I also feel that that's something new: when I first > installed my system, more than 4 years ago, I felt it was *ahead*. I > wonder if it's due just to the sheer increase of work required to test > packages, or if there are decisions behind that (or if it's just me > having false memories). When I first installed Gentoo a few years ago, I think I switched from x86 to ~x86 in the first 24 hours, for the very reason. I wanted to use the newest versions and the "stable" stuff was so old... It seems the majority of users are using ~arch these days.