From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LMtFv-0003fA-23 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 00:05:11 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BE3E9E0841; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 00:05:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com (rv-out-0708.google.com [209.85.198.250]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86955E0841 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 00:05:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b17so270724rvf.46 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2009 16:05:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ghkt33CLH6WEclCteOfcz+BeVzSZY+GI44pBcZktiKM=; b=EOUatVqz/GfFud8TwTb3w96t/xTi8WbtgMVQJxE+YcB1mvnCmEhD3roNw8GrTw8Zn8 LI6ey9df/rR2US6jr45YukU1TlKh90TShcDop9Xp+pLUF4Fs42tFAZbElb4iFMRtCZYG t9CiCSnUkkI/TkyFV/Fd+Ngy2Fyn0pDS9t1zA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=O/QZp4/DrUr+gMeafuCr06XslEldPphi7y8r91QxDuxl42tZEFqHy2YZi1czrhwQ5n WotQjPZweRb2LpQ7lFpQXy2vPc2kJITPy1Eg19TlwRetRnWWzxiVZQaK2791j59mbMPC zDnLn24IuLiFQSaIS9ZoUlQJsC3y6N6ztb+pI= Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: paul.hartman@gmail.com Received: by 10.140.201.21 with SMTP id y21mr15541263rvf.102.1231891507156; Tue, 13 Jan 2009 16:05:07 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <496D29D6.7030004@gmail.com> References: <58965d8a0901130744p3d724207i9b911c9c3559d61d@mail.gmail.com> <58965d8a0901130747g537f7ff2m393c03b804021785@mail.gmail.com> <496D29D6.7030004@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 18:05:07 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1913f247190020f3 Message-ID: <58965d8a0901131605y195f3282ib6007ca84df8415e@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: 'emerge -e world' question From: Paul Hartman To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 4d61ca9d-b3a3-4725-95eb-d52052148181 X-Archives-Hash: 4cfeb4f08372027ff12a34a29be47260 On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 5:55 PM, b.n. wrote: > Paul Hartman ha scritto: >> On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 9:44 AM, Paul Hartman >> wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I normally do "emerge -uDvN @world" (or in other words "emerge >>> --update --deep --verbose --newuse @world"). Right now, it tells me >>> this: >>> >>> Total: 0 packages, Size of downloads: 0 kB >>> >>> I also --depclean on a regular basis to remove any unneeded packages. >>> Right now, it tells me this: >>> >>> No packages selected for removal by depclean >>> >>> Based on those two commands, I'm led to believe I have a fully updated >>> system. So, then, I am curious why when I do "emerge -e @world" it >>> tells me this: >>> >>> Total: 1432 packages (9 upgrades, 2 downgrades, 14 new, 1407 >>> reinstalls, 1 interactive), Size of downloads: 76,235 kB >>> >>> How is that possible? Where do those upgrades, downgrades and new >>> packages come from? What is missing from my traditional "-uDvN" >>> command that is causing me to miss some of those updates? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Paul >> >> Before anyone responds I will throw in my theory :) >> >> I'm using ~amd64 and I suppose perhaps the ebuilds have changed since >> I installed them, but have not had a version increase. > > It's 4 years I'm using Gentoo and I can still be surprised by it. :) > This doesn't look right. Why do devs upgrade ebuilds and do not increase > the -rX versioning? > > m. > > Good question. If you look at the ChangeLog from openoffice-3.0.0 you can see it was marked stable on x86 & amd64 in 18 Oct 2008 but the ebuild has had some dramatic changes in the time since then, including bug fixes, patches, etc. My /guess/ is that since OpenOffice is such a huge package, if they bump the -r1 -r2 -r3 very often and people have 9 hours of compiling each time, it will annoy the gentoo population. So, instead, they use the idea that if nothing is gained by someone with a working openoffice, no reason to fix it (but if someone had a problem they can just "re-emerge openoffice and see if it works now").