From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FFD11382FE for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 21:51:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 352CE21C08C; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 21:50:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wm0-f51.google.com (mail-wm0-f51.google.com [74.125.82.51]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 02E8B21C03C for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 21:50:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wm0-f51.google.com with SMTP id o80so255317wme.1 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 14:50:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=WTTpoE86H/a2wfMkSIsBDxYDB/gQRDpXYsiGhkHei+s=; b=bSIaVHzIodrLOE6WM2+u23t0mfjTLlfjZL65K/iMw0ivjlxv4tlpRZBqPSkBNCHixt qf19GhbaKvn11FtQFEP8ID2vvGNvxyBPsbpT4jcZiBZJ7WPSxnGv5PRVCpVEpEqgGDaW 0waT/ImSAVwmKziPsFW+AsyvhG91PP8ra+bZxbU+StHs8IvfPy/W9k9f0J7yC6g5wY6q 3T+o32RQKnXCYntISVTczYsxaRVEu5KQIzI980Q5geFjYAcNJvsXoNB24o4ChFPUrzPD 3wxBYyzaairGqmC5RZS4EpZ78FzL/5vWGmTxwnjxBPGn2tvlcVg+WgrfmlLbAUa8d6uk 3+QQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=WTTpoE86H/a2wfMkSIsBDxYDB/gQRDpXYsiGhkHei+s=; b=PlSNWtSAzKMGDmIO49J2piHSaZhIIe2CTyisVV74DNM5G85JnyITM98so06Jc7G86l 5hl9yB4BFNMkeHUvH/v/Mz8uVzmFGzODnzTYQbqtXbOObBLPU9oq8+1tShFEtcmRLPL5 fJbzzJU6dbRlV3Nf1sK72xzCqTcW61Nx+6qAiok6d1TuGr0OFF4TT2a4r+F0fS9mRpz4 TG5wKx6/vfYo/M/7KwJn06ODk6RaSnbIgz+kybPRuXcWnvGUf25grkYtO2pawMrlMhmo 4zi86ia4GIvsZAU25YQuYZhr/ZEuWWlAsyUuDGcPB8/IQpRGv81vbqum0x4ItVlwyWw5 KUXA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tLuOlh8utYhzqKlLlk8r9OT3xD/NYdDx1LtoewYrdKZKDj1CGajSvfuUpIDWciQCw== X-Received: by 10.194.142.69 with SMTP id ru5mr1601339wjb.42.1468273851331; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 14:50:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.20.0.56] ([196.212.62.210]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id si2sm1774419wjb.19.2016.07.11.14.50.50 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 11 Jul 2016 14:50:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Wireless DHCP takes over resolv.conf To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org References: <1659782.mMxfcyeGIg@dell_xps> <2702860.O34opDXgWm@dell_xps> <5783FC83.50307@gmail.com> <578402F1.5060305@gmail.com> From: Alan McKinnon Message-ID: <578414B8.8060904@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 23:50:48 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.8.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 1f110253-6bc7-4735-bff8-4123c6fdca93 X-Archives-Hash: 2f9e0a7bcb79acffea084a4f5ff7e459 On 11/07/2016 23:03, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2016-07-11, Alan McKinnon wrote: >> On 11/07/2016 22:29, Grant Edwards wrote: >>> On 2016-07-11, Alan McKinnon wrote: >>> >>>> why don't you go with the dns server addresses supplied by each >>>> network's dhcp? Presumably the admin put them their because they >>>> work on that network. >>> >>> One might think that, but I find it often not to be the case. I can >>> recall many networks where the DNS servers returned by the DHCP server >>> didn't work well at all, and things got a _lot_ better when I manually >>> configured a couple working DNS servers (e.g. the Google ones at >>> 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4). Around here, Comcast's DNS servers are famously >>> bad. > >> Then shoot the idiot running that wireless network. > > You're not actually allowed to do that General Dreedle... > >> If he's one of my juniors, tell me so I can fire him (as he's just >> proved he can't do the job he's paid to do) > > And if you're at a customer or vendor site? A friend's or relative's > house? Using a municiple WiFi system? Using WiFi on an airplane, > bus, train, whatever? > > Sometimes you just need to get along with people and get some work > done. You always can't demand that things get done your way or > somebody's gonna get fired or taken out back and beaten... > Pretty much always worked for me. I'm one of the guys that sets things up so that guys like you have no reason to ever say "Around here, Comcast's DNS servers are famously bad". Replace "Comcast" with the real name of my real employer. If my team gets that wrong (and we never have thus far), millions of people immediately and at once suffer. So forgive me if I'm a tad touchy on the subject. But seriously, if the dns servers provided by dhcp aren't up to snuff then by all means put working ones in your resolv.conf. And also help the owner of the network fix his config - there really is no excuse for setting up software to tell people to use broken or badly behaved caches. Alan