From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A13D71382FE for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2016 23:11:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 660A721C092; Sun, 10 Jul 2016 23:11:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wm0-f50.google.com (mail-wm0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4A3C821C038 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2016 23:11:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wm0-f50.google.com with SMTP id k123so73881298wme.0 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2016 16:11:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=JkFScsc7/8o9KCAFDC4yYxngrOteKAP9owILzFotszk=; b=Hh+L6lrW2s2QMt0huBm8rWltnfBSDkT3NYxUOPQU5u+I7YPo7fnTFgqsODqk2Iwwsx WBOSlwMvVOs7JiB4ZkT+n5T293FkwqmLHchEZgDAKLKnYbA/+qdOVFscPjkzZyCeVn+P mH4xSgB5grZrTwJ+WNw/0dxnR1iZwnVB+0NzLNCzCXXE/8rtzPEoq3YTE8BxYa5iqnaj 8YkU4JOF/RHq33ZKJ/cIi7IFNLnp3ToQEFewIgWxtYtCfouCfXMRwf9fahLs/Wmrrd+8 qZuXhJwRvhPASdLoLijNXNYhlB2svhxqe+ElcjfObI9sTh0TB+hObn9eMU/t1Vl2ua6M m8MQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=JkFScsc7/8o9KCAFDC4yYxngrOteKAP9owILzFotszk=; b=WWZSySj5wOS5J88vOCgVT1UCX7oOg/G4OiKZNSPyXbHcumf4yy27iL6s5nZVJ+D/ki rmCvndjQs+OOMKs07S7YLI5vcoM/EMpu7frvhhJNfKtmjzJO2ox3LDb6CB81NPyOrSsL 625qCs1s9WcDPKTwU7lYpdhf5tZQnyGCRwxEGVf5isT0XrTrrKO8gpWWP7OKz1sTFzYS zl9GRqmZtFDNo7ytKsCviCoUvepBlk86Wo2GjrliY1+CcLu7e9X2DGrHfPBytmmLRFtA qit30exY2OBPAkUVWC6Bs0L5V/Bj7MqAZXWh3JD0NB8H7Xc9xJmY59/rV8IK176gE/dS oxqg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tKm3+BPweCYi1I3dQHqnIseDPZo+BdDQ2SnCHYy8nuImWx9XuIlXgnJBUDlMbYTCg== X-Received: by 10.28.18.199 with SMTP id 190mr15256034wms.66.1468192286638; Sun, 10 Jul 2016 16:11:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.20.0.56] ([196.212.62.210]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id p76sm2372902wmd.10.2016.07.10.16.11.25 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 10 Jul 2016 16:11:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Konsole To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org References: <20160709194445.GC1286@ca.inter.net> <20160710220617.GD1282@ca.inter.net> From: Alan McKinnon Message-ID: <5782D61B.5020908@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 01:11:23 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.8.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20160710220617.GD1282@ca.inter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: a9a86b70-069b-4713-8b8f-d0a7d73c5951 X-Archives-Hash: 74dc9fb8b31cd0c72314a98866d020ee On 11/07/2016 00:06, Philip Webb wrote: > The proliferation of pkgs in KDE, Gnome, Perl + other areas > is going to become a problem for Gentoo, > as they will tend to demand more dev attention > & will also add to users' burden in keeping track of what they use + need. I disagree. My burden is maintaining KDE is about the same through major versions 3, 4 and 5. Nowadays I mostly list the 30 or so KDE apps I actually use in a set, and the USE flags for stuff I have and can use go in make.conf. The ebuilds then take care of things and mostly get it right. When I say "mostly", I really mean a big percentage with lots of 9's in it[1] It's important to realise that these new packages are not new software, they are existing software broken up into smaller more atomic chunks. Example, in KDE-3 we had packages kde, and kde-*-meta. These were no atomic, they were "bunches of stuff sort-of somewhat related" like games, network and so on. When you break that up into lots of small packages, the burden goes *down*, in much the same way that software becomes easier when you refactor a giant main() with many global vars into many small self contained functions. I have many times observed comments on -dev where kde maintainers bitch loudly about how difficult it is to maintain the large monolithic kde packages of versions <5. All this seems to add up to the opposite of what you are claiming. Alan [1] Be careful not to commit the human problem of remembering the few times the ebuild got it wrong (especially when using ~arch), and not remembering, or not seeing at all, the many many many times it didn't