From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A542F1382FE for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2016 20:15:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E188A21C182; Sun, 10 Jul 2016 20:15:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wm0-f53.google.com (mail-wm0-f53.google.com [74.125.82.53]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 99A2221C0A3 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2016 20:15:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wm0-f53.google.com with SMTP id f126so69586209wma.1 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2016 13:15:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=aMBSrMmxkYcoO4gAgIQD878luo1lYbCvsv21TDobXSg=; b=lD92CYd+r1akErh7Tjiq3c7ymUJXVpfWST1Lb1AxHF5KJqW3U9NycgUcDCYYrKGgJY IlWgyZs83Jmv2iBeK/6cgq0mCSbOMYBJNU1CF8q+W8Mh9tzeSuxmfbTBbbUsxh16VkzU Y1EqrC44nXwghWPQlEVFT5HdM3nHz02O1oGOS9b9Ems/lKpYjJ3uOFVouhS9ruIORfA4 9mP9/QSEvX8DWnCPME9es+gJIfHUhOkyThoMWPj5vrOovVu2lFASBpTkFZkvAXc0yPm3 E9NjIWSuuRxeLdGWk7ktMowayEgNTx+bqGA2vkpKJqXaxOn4tnRKA8AoVMQXXAa9tVH+ MUFw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=aMBSrMmxkYcoO4gAgIQD878luo1lYbCvsv21TDobXSg=; b=XrLm5tOnlc01pIqsC1+Qzt14DBtKKrUX06C5ewe7iYoPaj3PJK1mQ2Xdqd0bi1aemD IMvMoNayLKs2vCLTXEWgWgHvAfLN1VcQ8TDMUolTdV+oVs160LenNDi36+Kgb55Yfq4H +U5iw2f4giSQEjzWhPMKvZrzD1iZW8Fpju6QfVs/x2KLzj1vq8Q9kSBxMz6HYdIJCS2L z7oeQ8n6V/QXoA4FAFs+5QCWW8iVKE92OAaH8mRQN2HqzQ5Rw9tS9AyyP+BX9aRXn4Ha 2078bOZFpIrmgWrsTcSOXuXatGw6n5kZq48qaFhx2o8ZzpM86NBrSpWoQVtPDwkeIVro yYZg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tLG8YwKfViZexNZMFIjd7NSqP7wytowf2Q6OWKqmwjFBewRVGU5mR/jSxStBhURgQ== X-Received: by 10.28.191.193 with SMTP id o62mr8670930wmi.64.1468181735762; Sun, 10 Jul 2016 13:15:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.20.0.56] ([196.212.62.210]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id q23sm8971009wme.17.2016.07.10.13.15.32 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 10 Jul 2016 13:15:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Konsole To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org References: <20160709194445.GC1286@ca.inter.net> <20160710191957.GB1282@ca.inter.net> From: Alan McKinnon Message-ID: <5782ACE2.5030907@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 22:15:30 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.8.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20160710191957.GB1282@ca.inter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 5c34ec17-1d08-4ddc-ba8b-1b17ab7be0ce X-Archives-Hash: b5972289fdcaa8c8939c682ca07c9fc2 On 10/07/2016 21:19, Philip Webb wrote: > 160711 konsolebox wrote: >> On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 3:44 AM, Philip Webb wrote: >>> What has happened to Konsole:4/4.14 ? >>> root:508 ~> eix konsole >>> [U?] kde-apps/konsole >>> Available versions: (5) 15.12.3 ~16.04.2 {X debug +handbook test} >>> Installed versions: 4.14.3(4/4.14)^t([2015-10-07 13:08:42])(handbook -aqua -debug -minimal -test) >>> Description: KDE's terminal emulator >>> Are we going to be forced to install the whole of KDE 5 >>> if we want to go on using some very useful KDE apps ? >> It was removed 17 days ago. No reason was mentioned. >> https://github.com/gentoo/gentoo/commit/581d3a57fb642a5b567b3b6fc6e80ef9daf38f6f > > Oh dear ! -- another bug to open (grimace) ? > > 'emerge konsole' wants to install 107 pkgs, incl 87 new ones ; > among them are sound software + Ruby. > > Is this what KDE officialdom now requires or can Gentoo work around it ? > My understanding was that KDE is now a 'software collection', > which allows users to pick whichever pieces they prefer : has that changed ? > I really can't give proper answer to your whinge-rant without at least the output of emerge with -t The bulk of those packages are probably kde frameworks and plasma. It's hard to run konsole-5 without them. You're getting sound because that's quite a normal to put on a desktop, and ruby because some package in world is a ruby script. And the packages are lots of small ones, very few huge monolithic packages left in Gentoo's KDE ebuilds. And yes, you very much CAN pick and choose kde-apps individually, but you don't get to choose if you want to install the deps or not Konsole:4 is moved to kde-sunset, enable that overlay and get things back as they were 17 days ago