From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C71D613829C for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 13:17:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 779311426A; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 13:17:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yw0-f193.google.com (mail-yw0-f193.google.com [209.85.161.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5CAD8141A2 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 13:17:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yw0-f193.google.com with SMTP id l126so4670658ywe.3 for ; Thu, 09 Jun 2016 06:17:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=5wu6d9MvQpeYRqKcHVhJE0fCDq1LjY+apuUr92Ca3MY=; b=dqh3fe0ydecpm6aQzpNHI5bP4f88rlRY9HTN0hkL0Do/CJJoclxIj8vp1bLXuinXrM 3B53Ss4ceWRYjKiTqAf2V/ccdgLuvwqgPEKoRT7LNEVBBovHRM4LFabX2yyPdQ5ZtUm6 S6b2cjYfixuiLs5wjI0fYioDHQ5nsJM7TAP8NukhU0cdPDnBKI2qLHPHEtAlnRuOfhAW OJteGwccSqZ/BxpVj+QUlAfPaftCeFcwNMnScTf4Dk47Wi4LjfBMKsPL4q6fJqWo+RT+ PN4jhTANBAaMpD7iKUg83sIcvvxcRysrvfBtqt3IWGQCkMrT4lHQCmJn/6LeRdVZUbub 7bDg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=5wu6d9MvQpeYRqKcHVhJE0fCDq1LjY+apuUr92Ca3MY=; b=GS1yi2oLa9Fhyb/fR8Z5ZqskJgMH6M2b3Fryzk82w29or2NE6DigkmFjULDNjt+xVd zGT1Laga7Y+rH5EcU285MufahxlyGxf3V7cMQFAJILvmpYhOGC6g3r12mPCyn7+f0q/l UoKYNVMCUavsnqrp+EaB0BPGlpwx+qvxP530cM5iJWcgOPi0LfI3rmlCNFCv59HTNAmT b45FTEnUVUQcPkkbkfpUlYkF+PwQn15wcwh723wT7kACNyf3fjD4QrB2EdftD2Q+QNnx y46CiW+1Xr2kFuqxnQ+YA0b4025BbdCZ1pkaIJ+UhW9ih15XQdeNgsyjn2ioHnop3oGz 0JcA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tKSp/ba0LxFUybJXs/ikvUKcxoEJhGjQvy3uJy/OCdPOujhpPFGKIohymUE4/TbVw== X-Received: by 10.37.2.17 with SMTP id 17mr1069456ybc.21.1465478219461; Thu, 09 Jun 2016 06:16:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.5] (adsl-65-0-119-56.jan.bellsouth.net. [65.0.119.56]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t83sm3212633ywe.30.2016.06.09.06.16.58 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 09 Jun 2016 06:16:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Change from udev to eudev? To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org References: <20160607220025.7f01e3fa@hal9000.localdomain> <5757453B.3030102@gmail.com> <20160609003643.GA3010@waltdnes.org> <5758CE9F.3040000@gmail.com> <20160609043419.0B048818B855@turkos.aspodata.se> From: Dale Message-ID: <57596C49.1040800@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2016 08:16:57 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:41.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/41.0 SeaMonkey/2.38 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20160609043419.0B048818B855@turkos.aspodata.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 8ffff375-5287-4f2f-a8ea-cd813dd7dbf9 X-Archives-Hash: 291dd5188945d62b98c20a03a5f15859 karl@aspodata.se wrote: > Dale: > ... >> Can a system even boot without udev? > Yes, use sys-fs/static-dev (unless you have some special boot=20 > requirements). Well, I was talking about if udev was removed and then a reboot was done. I would think it would boot to a certain point then when whatever started and needed devices to be created in /dev, it would start failing. I suspect this would vary depending on the install as well.=20 > >> I would think the bootloader would get it to a certain point >> but then die later on. :/ > The bootloader needs to find the kernel and possible the initrd/ > initramfs if you use them. > > Then kernel needs (depending on your setup) to find the root > filesystem and then /sbin/init. > > And init needs to start up the rest of the system. > > The above have been working wery well for a long time, but if you don't= > use udev and initrd et al, most (all?) distributions don't help you > anymore with it; you have to know yourself how to do it. > > Regards, > /Karl Hammar > > -----------------------------------------------------------------------= > Asp=C3=B6 Data > Lilla Asp=C3=B6 148 > S-742 94 =C3=96sthammar > Sweden > +46 173 140 57 > I get what you are saying and sounds about right. I figure the bootloader would load the kernel and the kernel would do most of the loading until it needed something that udev does. At that point, things start to fail. I'm not going to test this theory tho. ;-) Dale :-) :-)=20