[gentoo-user] Fwd: [gentoo-dev] Package up for grabs: sys-boot/gummiboot

[gentoo-user] Fwd: [gentoo-dev] Package up for grabs: sys-boot/gummiboot

[Dale]

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Subject: 	[gentoo-dev] Package up for grabs: sys-boot/gummiboot
Date: 	Wed, 18 May 2016 13:45:55 +0200
From: 	Michał Górny <mgorny@gentoo.org>
Reply-To: 	gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Organization: 	Gentoo
To: 	gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org



I'm no longer willing to maintain sys-boot/gummiboot and this makes it
maintainer-needed. The package is no longer maintained upstream,
and has been merged into systemd. It seems that there are still people
using it without systemd though, so I'm not going to lastrite it
myself, and prefer getting a new maintainer for it.

-- 
Best regards,
Michał Górny
<http://dev.gentoo.org/~mgorny/>


This was posted on -dev a few days ago.  I'm pretty sure there are some users here that use this and so far, no one has stepped up to take it.  If one of the users who uses this wants to keep it available, may want to see if you, and maybe some other helpers, can help maintain it.  

Just thought I would pass this on in case no one was aware.  

Dale

:-)  :-)  

P. S.  I'm not sure how this is going to be formatted.  It looks odd at the moment.  :/  


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[gentoo-user] Re: Fwd: [gentoo-dev] Package up for grabs: sys-boot/gummiboot

[Jonathan Callen]

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On 05/23/2016 12:39 AM, Dale wrote:
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>> Subject: 	[gentoo-dev] Package up for grabs: sys-boot/gummiboot
>> Date: 	Wed, 18 May 2016 13:45:55 +0200
>> From: 	Michał Górny <mgorny@gentoo.org>
>> Reply-To: 	gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
>> Organization: 	Gentoo
>> To: 	gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I'm no longer willing to maintain sys-boot/gummiboot and this makes it
>> maintainer-needed. The package is no longer maintained upstream,
>> and has been merged into systemd. It seems that there are still people
>> using it without systemd though, so I'm not going to lastrite it
>> myself, and prefer getting a new maintainer for it.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Best regards,
>> Michał Górny
>> <http://dev.gentoo.org/~mgorny/>
> 
> This was posted on -dev a few days ago. I'm pretty sure there are
> some users here that use this and so far, no one has stepped up to take it.
> If one of the users who uses this wants to keep it available, may want
> to see if you, and maybe some other helpers, can help maintain it. 
> 
> Just thought I would pass this on in case no one was aware.  
> 
> Dale
> 
> :-)  :-)  
> 
> P. S. I'm not sure how this is going to be formatted. It looks odd at
> the moment. :/ 


The magic to getting things like this to format correctly is to remove
the line that is exactly "-- " (dash-dash-space) and everything
following it -- or to ensure that that line is quoted somehow.  Most
text email clients treat that string as a signature indicator, and
assume that everything following it isn't very important, just boilerplate.

-- 
Jonathan Callen


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Fwd: [gentoo-dev] Package up for grabs: sys-boot/gummiboot

[Dale]

Jonathan Callen wrote:
> On 05/23/2016 12:39 AM, Dale wrote:
>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>> Subject: 	[gentoo-dev] Package up for grabs: sys-boot/gummiboot
>>> Date: 	Wed, 18 May 2016 13:45:55 +0200
>>> From: 	Michał Górny <mgorny@gentoo.org>
>>> Reply-To: 	gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
>>> Organization: 	Gentoo
>>> To: 	gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm no longer willing to maintain sys-boot/gummiboot and this makes it
>>> maintainer-needed. The package is no longer maintained upstream,
>>> and has been merged into systemd. It seems that there are still people
>>> using it without systemd though, so I'm not going to lastrite it
>>> myself, and prefer getting a new maintainer for it.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Best regards,
>>> Michał Górny
>>> <http://dev.gentoo.org/~mgorny/>
>> This was posted on -dev a few days ago. I'm pretty sure there are
>> some users here that use this and so far, no one has stepped up to take it.
>> If one of the users who uses this wants to keep it available, may want
>> to see if you, and maybe some other helpers, can help maintain it. 
>>
>> Just thought I would pass this on in case no one was aware.  
>>
>> Dale
>>
>> :-)  :-)  
>>
>> P. S. I'm not sure how this is going to be formatted. It looks odd at
>> the moment. :/ 
>
> The magic to getting things like this to format correctly is to remove
> the line that is exactly "-- " (dash-dash-space) and everything
> following it -- or to ensure that that line is quoted somehow.  Most
> text email clients treat that string as a signature indicator, and
> assume that everything following it isn't very important, just boilerplate.
>


My concern was whether it would show what was my text and what was the
original since they both looked the same.  It didn't quote like it
normally would but it is fairly obvious as to who said what. 

The biggest thing, I wanted to let folks know that if someone doesn't
step up that this package may die.  I don't use it myself, although I've
considered switching to it, but know others on this list do use it. 
Some of them likely have the skills to handle this if they have time and
choose too. 

Thanks.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

[gentoo-user] Re: Fwd: [gentoo-dev] Package up for grabs: sys-boot/gummiboot

[Jonathan Callen]

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On 05/23/2016 11:08 PM, Dale wrote:
> Jonathan Callen wrote:
>> On 05/23/2016 12:39 AM, Dale wrote:
>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>>> Subject: 	[gentoo-dev] Package up for grabs: sys-boot/gummiboot
>>>> Date: 	Wed, 18 May 2016 13:45:55 +0200
>>>> From: 	Michał Górny <mgorny@gentoo.org>
>>>> Reply-To: 	gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
>>>> Organization: 	Gentoo
>>>> To: 	gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm no longer willing to maintain sys-boot/gummiboot and this makes it
>>>> maintainer-needed. The package is no longer maintained upstream,
>>>> and has been merged into systemd. It seems that there are still people
>>>> using it without systemd though, so I'm not going to lastrite it
>>>> myself, and prefer getting a new maintainer for it.
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Michał Górny
>>>> <http://dev.gentoo.org/~mgorny/>
>>> This was posted on -dev a few days ago. I'm pretty sure there are
>>> some users here that use this and so far, no one has stepped up to take it.
>>> If one of the users who uses this wants to keep it available, may want
>>> to see if you, and maybe some other helpers, can help maintain it. 
>>>
>>> Just thought I would pass this on in case no one was aware.  
>>>
>>> Dale
>>>
>>> :-)  :-)  
>>>
>>> P. S. I'm not sure how this is going to be formatted. It looks odd at
>>> the moment. :/ 
>>
>> The magic to getting things like this to format correctly is to remove
>> the line that is exactly "-- " (dash-dash-space) and everything
>> following it -- or to ensure that that line is quoted somehow.  Most
>> text email clients treat that string as a signature indicator, and
>> assume that everything following it isn't very important, just boilerplate.
>>
> 
> 
> My concern was whether it would show what was my text and what was the
> original since they both looked the same.  It didn't quote like it
> normally would but it is fairly obvious as to who said what. 
> 
> The biggest thing, I wanted to let folks know that if someone doesn't
> step up that this package may die.  I don't use it myself, although I've
> considered switching to it, but know others on this list do use it. 
> Some of them likely have the skills to handle this if they have time and
> choose too. 
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Dale
> 
> :-)  :-) 
> 
> 
> 


My client decided that everything after the "-- " line was part of the
signature of the original (forwarded) email, and put it and all that
followed in a very light gray on white, nearly unreadable.  It appears
that your client wants you to use TOFU [Top-post Over, Full-quote Under]
for forwards, even though it allows other formats for replies.

-- 
Jonathan Callen


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Fwd: [gentoo-dev] Package up for grabs: sys-boot/gummiboot

[Dale]

Jonathan Callen wrote:
> On 05/23/2016 11:08 PM, Dale wrote:
>> Jonathan Callen wrote:
>>> On 05/23/2016 12:39 AM, Dale wrote:
>>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>>>> Subject: 	[gentoo-dev] Package up for grabs: sys-boot/gummiboot
>>>>> Date: 	Wed, 18 May 2016 13:45:55 +0200
>>>>> From: 	Michał Górny <mgorny@gentoo.org>
>>>>> Reply-To: 	gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
>>>>> Organization: 	Gentoo
>>>>> To: 	gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm no longer willing to maintain sys-boot/gummiboot and this makes it
>>>>> maintainer-needed. The package is no longer maintained upstream,
>>>>> and has been merged into systemd. It seems that there are still people
>>>>> using it without systemd though, so I'm not going to lastrite it
>>>>> myself, and prefer getting a new maintainer for it.
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Michał Górny
>>>>> <http://dev.gentoo.org/~mgorny/>
>>>> This was posted on -dev a few days ago. I'm pretty sure there are
>>>> some users here that use this and so far, no one has stepped up to take it.
>>>> If one of the users who uses this wants to keep it available, may want
>>>> to see if you, and maybe some other helpers, can help maintain it. 
>>>>
>>>> Just thought I would pass this on in case no one was aware.  
>>>>
>>>> Dale
>>>>
>>>> :-)  :-)  
>>>>
>>>> P. S. I'm not sure how this is going to be formatted. It looks odd at
>>>> the moment. :/ 
>>> The magic to getting things like this to format correctly is to remove
>>> the line that is exactly "-- " (dash-dash-space) and everything
>>> following it -- or to ensure that that line is quoted somehow.  Most
>>> text email clients treat that string as a signature indicator, and
>>> assume that everything following it isn't very important, just boilerplate.
>>>
>>
>> My concern was whether it would show what was my text and what was the
>> original since they both looked the same.  It didn't quote like it
>> normally would but it is fairly obvious as to who said what. 
>>
>> The biggest thing, I wanted to let folks know that if someone doesn't
>> step up that this package may die.  I don't use it myself, although I've
>> considered switching to it, but know others on this list do use it. 
>> Some of them likely have the skills to handle this if they have time and
>> choose too. 
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Dale
>>
>> :-)  :-) 
>>
>>
>>
>
> My client decided that everything after the "-- " line was part of the
> signature of the original (forwarded) email, and put it and all that
> followed in a very light gray on white, nearly unreadable.  It appears
> that your client wants you to use TOFU [Top-post Over, Full-quote Under]
> for forwards, even though it allows other formats for replies.
>

You are likely right.  When I reply here, it looks one way.  When I hit
forward before, it seems to behave differently, although it makes no
sense to me why it would do that.  I use Seamonkey as my email client. 
The biggest setting I have set, send text only to gentoo.org. 
Everything else is set to the default.  Other than that, I'm clueless on
how and why it does the silly things it does.  lol 

Still hoping someone will step up before that package dies on the vine
so to speak. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] [gentoo-dev] Package up for grabs: sys-boot/gummiboot

[Stroller]

> On Tue, 24 May 2016, at 5:42 am, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> You are likely right.  When I reply here, it looks one way.  When I hit
> forward before, it seems to behave differently, although it makes no
> sense to me why it would do that. 

The message you forwarded was in html rich-text.

I presume that's because mgorny posted in rich-text.

It depends on the mail client, but I think usually the setting to default to rich- or plain-text email is for new messages, when you click "compose"; when you click "reply" or "forward", typically mail clients maintain the setting of the original author.

Stroller.

Re: [gentoo-user] [gentoo-dev] Package up for grabs: sys-boot/gummiboot

[Mike Gilbert]

On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 11:35 AM, Stroller
<stroller@stellar.eclipse.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 24 May 2016, at 5:42 am, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> You are likely right.  When I reply here, it looks one way.  When I hit
>> forward before, it seems to behave differently, although it makes no
>> sense to me why it would do that.
>
> The message you forwarded was in html rich-text.
>
> I presume that's because mgorny posted in rich-text.

Nope, the original message sent to gentoo-dev was plain-text.

> It depends on the mail client, but I think usually the setting to default to rich- or plain-text email is for new messages, when you click "compose"; when you click "reply" or "forward", typically mail clients maintain the setting of the original author.

Sounds like Dale's mail client just does the wrong thing when forwarding.

Re: [gentoo-user] Fwd: [gentoo-dev] Package up for grabs: sys-boot/gummiboot

[Peter Humphrey]

On Sunday 22 May 2016 23:39:08 Dale wrote:
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject: 	[gentoo-dev] Package up for grabs: sys-boot/gummiboot
> Date: 	Wed, 18 May 2016 13:45:55 +0200
> From: 	Michał Górny <mgorny@gentoo.org>
> Reply-To: 	gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
> Organization: 	Gentoo
> To: 	gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
> 
> 
> 
> I'm no longer willing to maintain sys-boot/gummiboot and this makes it
> maintainer-needed. The package is no longer maintained upstream,
> and has been merged into systemd. It seems that there are still people
> using it without systemd though, so I'm not going to lastrite it
> myself, and prefer getting a new maintainer for it.

Well, considering the importance of gummiboot to some of us, I might be 
willing to take it on - if I just knew a bit more about package maintenance. 
As I've said many times in recent years, my days of coding expired about 25 
years ago, and then it was in very different systems from Linux.

-- 
Rgds
Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] Fwd: [gentoo-dev] Package up for grabs: sys-boot/gummiboot

[Michael Orlitzky]

On 05/25/2016 06:09 PM, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> 
> Well, considering the importance of gummiboot to some of us, I might be 
> willing to take it on - if I just knew a bit more about package maintenance. 
> As I've said many times in recent years, my days of coding expired about 25 
> years ago, and then it was in very different systems from Linux.
> 

These days it's a lot easier to get practice because you don't have to
deal with CVS. If you clone our git repo as your $PORTDIR, then you can
make your changes and `repoman commit` just like the rest of us. If
you're okay with Github, you can create pull requests there from that
same clone.

You should probably read through the entire devmanual once, but there's
no substitute for practice and asking questions.

There are a lot of easy bugs open on bugs.gentoo.org that you could fix
to get experience. If you fix something in a maintainer-needed package
and post a pull request, I don't see why we couldn't just merge it.
You'll get good feedback that way. In fact, in the worst case, if
gummiboot drops to maintainer-needed, you could fix bugs and make
version bumps that way without the commitment of being the maintainer.

[gentoo-user] Re: Fwd: [gentoo-dev] Package up for grabs: sys-boot/gummiboot

[»Q«]

On Mon, 23 May 2016 22:08:20 -0500
Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:

> Jonathan Callen wrote:
> > On 05/23/2016 12:39 AM, Dale wrote:  

> >>> -- 

> >> P. S. I'm not sure how this is going to be formatted. It looks odd
> >> at the moment. :/   
> >
> > The magic to getting things like this to format correctly is to
> > remove the line that is exactly "-- " (dash-dash-space) and
> > everything following it -- or to ensure that that line is quoted
> > somehow.  Most text email clients treat that string as a signature
> > indicator, and assume that everything following it isn't very
> > important, just boilerplate. 
> 
> My concern was whether it would show what was my text and what was the
> original since they both looked the same.  It didn't quote like it
> normally would but it is fairly obvious as to who said what.

Not to me, since I have my client configured not to display
signatures.  All I say was the forwarded post, with none of your new
text.  If Johnathan hadn't pointed out what happened, I'd never have
known there was any new text from you.

Just removing the trailing space from the "-- " line is enough to
prevent automagic signature detection, and leaving the "--" makes it
clear that it was originally a sig.

Re: [gentoo-user] [gentoo-dev] Package up for grabs: sys-boot/gummiboot

[Dale]

Mike Gilbert wrote:
> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 11:35 AM, Stroller
> <stroller@stellar.eclipse.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 24 May 2016, at 5:42 am, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> You are likely right.  When I reply here, it looks one way.  When I hit
>>> forward before, it seems to behave differently, although it makes no
>>> sense to me why it would do that.
>> The message you forwarded was in html rich-text.
>>
>> I presume that's because mgorny posted in rich-text.
> Nope, the original message sent to gentoo-dev was plain-text.
>
>> It depends on the mail client, but I think usually the setting to default to rich- or plain-text email is for new messages, when you click "compose"; when you click "reply" or "forward", typically mail clients maintain the setting of the original author.
> Sounds like Dale's mail client just does the wrong thing when forwarding.
>
>

Given how weird this thing is at times, I'm going to lean toward your
thoughts on this.  ;-)  I've had times where someone will send me a
email off list and inform me that this thing is sending html again.  I
go in and delete the entries and then add the exact same thing back and
it works for a while, again.  Sometimes I want to paint a target on it
and use it for target practice.  lol 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Fwd: [gentoo-dev] Package up for grabs: sys-boot/gummiboot

[Dale]

Michael Orlitzky wrote:
> On 05/25/2016 06:09 PM, Peter Humphrey wrote:
>> Well, considering the importance of gummiboot to some of us, I might be 
>> willing to take it on - if I just knew a bit more about package maintenance. 
>> As I've said many times in recent years, my days of coding expired about 25 
>> years ago, and then it was in very different systems from Linux.
>>
> These days it's a lot easier to get practice because you don't have to
> deal with CVS. If you clone our git repo as your $PORTDIR, then you can
> make your changes and `repoman commit` just like the rest of us. If
> you're okay with Github, you can create pull requests there from that
> same clone.
>
> You should probably read through the entire devmanual once, but there's
> no substitute for practice and asking questions.
>
> There are a lot of easy bugs open on bugs.gentoo.org that you could fix
> to get experience. If you fix something in a maintainer-needed package
> and post a pull request, I don't see why we couldn't just merge it.
> You'll get good feedback that way. In fact, in the worst case, if
> gummiboot drops to maintainer-needed, you could fix bugs and make
> version bumps that way without the commitment of being the maintainer.
>
>
>


My thinking is along the same lines as yours.  Having anyone that is
willing to help is likely much better than no one at all and the package
ending up dying and leaving the tree all together.  If someone can do
some of the heavy lifting and just push the needed info to someone else
who can push it into the tree, that should buy it some time at least. 
Maybe at some point a official dev can step up. 

The biggest thing, I didn't want it to get kicked out of the tree and
then the people that use it here end up going "what the heck" because
they didn't see it coming. 

Me, I want to set up a very basic backup script on a cron job to copy
from one local drive to another local drive.  Even that little thing is
a big deal for me.  Don't even mention writing a ebuild within hearing
range of me.  ROFL   I'm to old for that stuff now.  ;-)

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Fwd: [gentoo-dev] Package up for grabs: sys-boot/gummiboot

[Sam Jorna]

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On 26/05/16 08:19, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
> On 05/25/2016 06:09 PM, Peter Humphrey wrote:
>>
>> Well, considering the importance of gummiboot to some of us, I might be 
>> willing to take it on - if I just knew a bit more about package maintenance. 
>> As I've said many times in recent years, my days of coding expired about 25 
>> years ago, and then it was in very different systems from Linux.
>>
> 
> These days it's a lot easier to get practice because you don't have to
> deal with CVS. If you clone our git repo as your $PORTDIR, then you can
> make your changes and `repoman commit` just like the rest of us. If
> you're okay with Github, you can create pull requests there from that
> same clone.
> 
> You should probably read through the entire devmanual once, but there's
> no substitute for practice and asking questions.
> 
> There are a lot of easy bugs open on bugs.gentoo.org that you could fix
> to get experience. If you fix something in a maintainer-needed package
> and post a pull request, I don't see why we couldn't just merge it.
> You'll get good feedback that way. In fact, in the worst case, if
> gummiboot drops to maintainer-needed, you could fix bugs and make
> version bumps that way without the commitment of being the maintainer.

I'll also mention the Proxy Maintainers project[0] here. Yes this is
intended to facilitate people taking maintainership of a package, but my
point is that there is a project dedicated to facilitating contributors
without push access both in offering ebuilding support and committing
package changes.

If anyone is interested in becoming the nominal maintainer of this, let
us know. :)

[0] https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Proxy_Maintainers

Cheers;
-- 
Sam Jorna (wraeth) <wraeth@gentoo.org>
GnuPG Key: D6180C26


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Re: [gentoo-user] Fwd: [gentoo-dev] Package up for grabs: sys-boot/gummiboot

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Thu, 26 May 2016 10:48:48 +1000, Sam Jorna wrote:

> I'll also mention the Proxy Maintainers project[0] here. Yes this is
> intended to facilitate people taking maintainership of a package, but my
> point is that there is a project dedicated to facilitating contributors
> without push access both in offering ebuilding support and committing
> package changes.

I've recently become a proxy maintainer at Sam's instigation, and with a
lot of constructive help from him. It's not difficult even though it made
me think a lot harder about what the ebuild was doing. If anyone it
thinking about it, I'd recommend the experience.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

I don't have any solution, but I certainly admire the problem.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Fwd: [gentoo-dev] Package up for grabs: sys-boot/gummiboot

[Peter Humphrey]

On Wednesday 25 May 2016 18:19:38 Michael Orlitzky wrote:
> On 05/25/2016 06:09 PM, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > Well, considering the importance of gummiboot to some of us, I might be
> > willing to take it on - if I just knew a bit more about package
> > maintenance. As I've said many times in recent years, my days of coding
> > expired about 25 years ago, and then it was in very different systems
> > from Linux.
> These days it's a lot easier to get practice because you don't have to
> deal with CVS. If you clone our git repo as your $PORTDIR, then you can
> make your changes and `repoman commit` just like the rest of us. If
> you're okay with Github, you can create pull requests there from that
> same clone.

Aye, there's the rub. Git is a closed book to me at the moment. Having to 
learn how to use it would at least triple my time to get up to speed. Time, 
I have plenty of (DV, as they say in religious circles), but my brain 
doesn't go nearly as well as it did 40 years ago.

> You should probably read through the entire devmanual once, but there's
> no substitute for practice and asking questions.

Sounds like good advice - I'll go and find it now.

> There are a lot of easy bugs open on bugs.gentoo.org that you could fix
> to get experience. If you fix something in a maintainer-needed package
> and post a pull request, I don't see why we couldn't just merge it.
> You'll get good feedback that way. In fact, in the worst case, if
> gummiboot drops to maintainer-needed, you could fix bugs and make
> version bumps that way without the commitment of being the maintainer.

Thanks for the encouragement. I'll muse awhile.

-- 
Rgds
Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] Fwd: [gentoo-dev] Package up for grabs: sys-boot/gummiboot

[Peter Humphrey]

On Thursday 26 May 2016 09:32:26 I wrote:

> Thanks for the encouragement. I'll muse awhile.

Already I have an elementary question: what editors are recommended for this 
kind of work? Other than vim and emacs, that is, either of which would 
involve yet another acute learning process.

-- 
Rgds
Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] Fwd: [gentoo-dev] Package up for grabs: sys-boot/gummiboot

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Thu, 26 May 2016 09:32:26 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote:

> > These days it's a lot easier to get practice because you don't have to
> > deal with CVS. If you clone our git repo as your $PORTDIR, then you
> > can make your changes and `repoman commit` just like the rest of us.
> > If you're okay with Github, you can create pull requests there from
> > that same clone.  
> 
> Aye, there's the rub. Git is a closed book to me at the moment. Having
> to learn how to use it would at least triple my time to get up to
> speed. Time, I have plenty of (DV, as they say in religious circles),
> but my brain doesn't go nearly as well as it did 40 years ago.

You don't have to use git, I uploaded my ebuild changes to b.g.o - it
needs a dev to commit them anyway.

> > You should probably read through the entire devmanual once, but
> > there's no substitute for practice and asking questions.  
> 
> Sounds like good advice - I'll go and find it now.

devmanual.gentoo.org - you also need to read man 5 ebuild.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Fwd: [gentoo-dev] Package up for grabs: sys-boot/gummiboot

[Michael Orlitzky]

On 05/26/2016 05:03 AM, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Thursday 26 May 2016 09:32:26 I wrote:
> 
>> Thanks for the encouragement. I'll muse awhile.
> 
> Already I have an elementary question: what editors are recommended for this 
> kind of work? Other than vim and emacs, that is, either of which would 
> involve yet another acute learning process.
> 

It doesn't really matter, you're essentially just writing bash scripts.
We have special syntax highlighting for vim and emacs, but anything that
can handle bash code should work fine. We also use tabs for indentation
(disgusting, I know), so your editor should know the difference between
tabs and spaces. I've used app-editors/mousepad in a pinch.

Repoman can catch a lot of minor syntax issues (like space indentation),
and the output of `git diff` will show leading/trailing whitespace, so
it isn't much of a problem.

Re: [gentoo-user] Fwd: [gentoo-dev] Package up for grabs: sys-boot/gummiboot

[Michael Orlitzky]

On 05/26/2016 04:32 AM, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> 
> Aye, there's the rub. Git is a closed book to me at the moment. Having to 
> learn how to use it would at least triple my time to get up to speed. Time, 
> I have plenty of (DV, as they say in religious circles), but my brain 
> doesn't go nearly as well as it did 40 years ago.
> 

You'll spend a while getting used to git, there's no way around it. You
just have to pick a project and force yourself to use git all day. All
of the commands have the wrong names:

  * Want to check out a repository? There's `git checkout`, but that's
    not what it does. You want `git clone`.

  * Want to start a new branch? There's `git branch`, but what you
    actually want is `git checkout`.

  * Want to reset the modifications you've made to a file? There's
    `git reset`, but what you really want is `git checkout`.

  * Want to merge your changes with upstream? There's `git merge`,
    but chances are, you want `git pull --rebase`.

  * Want to commit a new file? There's `git commit`, but it won't work.

...and so on.

That said, after my bicycle, git is probably the most useful piece of
technology I use on a daily basis. All of the time I spent banging my
head on my desk turned out to be well worth it. So, don't despair too much.

Re: [gentoo-user] Fwd: [gentoo-dev] Package up for grabs: sys-boot/gummiboot

[Peter Humphrey]

On Thursday 26 May 2016 09:10:12 Michael Orlitzky wrote:
> You'll spend a while getting used to git, there's no way around it. You
> just have to pick a project and force yourself to use git all day. All
> of the commands have the wrong names:
> 
>   * Want to check out a repository? There's `git checkout`, but that's
>     not what it does. You want `git clone`.
> 
>   * Want to start a new branch? There's `git branch`, but what you
>     actually want is `git checkout`.
> 
>   * Want to reset the modifications you've made to a file? There's
>     `git reset`, but what you really want is `git checkout`.
> 
>   * Want to merge your changes with upstream? There's `git merge`,
>     but chances are, you want `git pull --rebase`.
> 
>   * Want to commit a new file? There's `git commit`, but it won't work.
> 
> ...and so on.

So, it was written by a headstrong, ivory-tower academic whose first language 
isn't English?  ;)

> That said, after my bicycle, git is probably the most useful piece of
> technology I use on a daily basis. All of the time I spent banging my
> head on my desk turned out to be well worth it. So, don't despair too
> much.

-- 
Rgds
Peter