[gentoo-user] Emerge

[gentoo-user] Emerge

[Meino Christian Cramer]

Hi,

 how can I get the emerge manpage without installing gentoo?
 I try to asnwer the some questions about emerge before deciding to 
 install Gentoo. Beside other things I am interested, whether Emerge
 will delete or not the downloaded sources after an successfull
 install and whether emerge will download sources, which are already
 downloaded while installing another project, which some identical
 dependencies as the one, which currently should be installed. Or in
 less words: What happend, when one will give 

	  emerge kde

 twice?

 Where can I download the full manpage and/or answers to my questions?

 Kind regards,
 mcc
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Re: [gentoo-user] Emerge

[Diogo Tridapalli]

google:  man emerge

http://gentoo-wiki.com/MAN_emerge

for more about portage:
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=2&chap=1

On 3/20/06, Meino Christian Cramer <Meino.Cramer@gmx.de> wrote:
> Hi,
>
>  how can I get the emerge manpage without installing gentoo?
>  I try to asnwer the some questions about emerge before deciding to
>  install Gentoo. Beside other things I am interested, whether Emerge
>  will delete or not the downloaded sources after an successfull
>  install and whether emerge will download sources, which are already
>  downloaded while installing another project, which some identical
>  dependencies as the one, which currently should be installed. Or in
>  less words: What happend, when one will give
>
>           emerge kde
>
>  twice?
>
>  Where can I download the full manpage and/or answers to my questions?
>
>  Kind regards,
>  mcc
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>
>


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Re: [gentoo-user] Emerge

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 17:27:46 +0100 (CET), Meino Christian Cramer wrote:

> Beside other things I am interested, whether Emerge
>  will delete or not the downloaded sources after an successfull
>  install

No. Sources are saved after download and can be re-used.

> and whether emerge will download sources, which are already
>  downloaded while installing another project

Portage always checks whether the sources are already present before
attempting a download, so the second call will use any sources downloaded
by the first.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Emerge

[Meino Christian Cramer]

Hi,

 thank you for all the helpful answers !
 Hopefully I get my new system installed...
 Fingers crossed...

 Keep hacking!
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[gentoo-user] Emerge

[Eduardo Luiz]

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Hi,
What should i do to emerge downloads the newests packages?
I don´t care with stability..
Thanks

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Re: [gentoo-user] Emerge

[Daniel Iliev]

Eduardo Luiz wrote:
> Hi,
> What should i do to emerge downloads the newests packages?
> I don´t care with stability..
> Thanks

Edit /etc/make.conf and add/change "ACCEPT_KEYWORDS" to
"~your-architecture". For example:

ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="x86"  #means x86 stable
ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86" #means x86 testing

Then "emerge --sync && emerge -Neav world"


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Re: [gentoo-user] Emerge

[Steve Dibb]

Daniel Iliev wrote:

> Then "emerge --sync && emerge -Neav world"

that is overkill, no need to re-emerge the entire tree.

"emerge -uD world" will suffice.

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[gentoo-user] emerge

[Cosmin Rentea]

Hi all,

Is it possible to have in "emerge" something similar to the "-k" option 
of "make" ?


        -k, --keep-going
             Continue as much as possible after an error.  While the 
target that failed, and those that depend on it, cannot be  remade,  the
other dependencies of these targets can be processed all the same.


It would be particularly useful when emerging "world", "system" or 
multiple packages, some of which have broken ebuilds.



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Re: [gentoo-user] emerge

[Raymond Lewis Rebbeck]

On Monday, 11 December 2006 22:51, Cosmin Rentea wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Is it possible to have in "emerge" something similar to the "-k" option
> of "make" ?
>
>
>         -k, --keep-going
>              Continue as much as possible after an error.  While the
> target that failed, and those that depend on it, cannot be  remade,  the
> other dependencies of these targets can be processed all the same.
>
>
> It would be particularly useful when emerging "world", "system" or
> multiple packages, some of which have broken ebuilds.
>

If you take a look at the latest GWN I recall seeing mention of a script that 
did what you are proposing.

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Re: [gentoo-user] emerge

[Caj Zell]

Cosmin Rentea skrev:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Is it possible to have in "emerge" something similar to the "-k" 
> option of "make" ?
>
>
>        -k, --keep-going
>             Continue as much as possible after an error.  While the 
> target that failed, and those that depend on it, cannot be  remade,  the
> other dependencies of these targets can be processed all the same.
>
>
> It would be particularly useful when emerging "world", "system" or 
> multiple packages, some of which have broken ebuilds.
>
>
>

Check the latest Gentoo Weekly Newsletter for update-world, or check 
this link directly

http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-497125.html

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Re: [gentoo-user] emerge

[Boris Fersing]

2006/12/11, Cosmin Rentea <cosmin.rentea@fokus.fraunhofer.de>:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Is it possible to have in "emerge" something similar to the "-k" option
> of "make" ?
>
>
>         -k, --keep-going
>              Continue as much as possible after an error.  While the
> target that failed, and those that depend on it, cannot be  remade,  the
> other dependencies of these targets can be processed all the same.

Hi,

you can try something like this :

in your .bashrc, add :

skipmerge(){
emerge --resume --skipfirst || skipmerge
}


then source your bashrc and try : emerge -auvDN world || skipmerge

that should work.

regards,

Boris.
>
>
> It would be particularly useful when emerging "world", "system" or
> multiple packages, some of which have broken ebuilds.
>
>
>
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aX5aX8axaX3ax8aX4ax6aX3aX6ax3ax3aX9ax4ax2aX9axaX6ax3aX2ax4 \
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Re: [gentoo-user] emerge

[Petr Uzel]

On Monday 11 December 2006 13:21, Cosmin Rentea wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Is it possible to have in "emerge" something similar to the "-k" option
> of "make" ?
>
>
>         -k, --keep-going
>              Continue as much as possible after an error.  While the
> target that failed, and those that depend on it, cannot be  remade,  the
> other dependencies of these targets can be processed all the same.
>
>
> It would be particularly useful when emerging "world", "system" or
> multiple packages, some of which have broken ebuilds.

Hello,
you could find some inspiration here :
http://www.sabayonlinux.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=12114&sid=f0df8f7562aae360b3bb527e5d5b7c01
and
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-497125-highlight-updateworld.html

I haven't tried it myself.

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Re: [gentoo-user] emerge

[Mauro Faccenda]

On Monday 11 December 2006 09:21, Cosmin Rentea wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Is it possible to have in "emerge" something similar to the "-k" option
> of "make" ?
>
>
>         -k, --keep-going
>              Continue as much as possible after an error.  While the
> target that failed, and those that depend on it, cannot be  remade,  the
> other dependencies of these targets can be processed all the same.
>
>
> It would be particularly useful when emerging "world", "system" or
> multiple packages, some of which have broken ebuilds.

emerge -uvt world || while ! emerge --resume --skipfirst ; do echo "next..."; 
done

or something like this, might do the job.

[]'s
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[gentoo-user] Emerge

[Alan Grimes]

Emerge won't update a single goddammned package on my system.


My number theory code finished a segment of work, (after a month), and
it's time to reboot the system to propagate updates to nvidia drivers
and such, uptime = 81 days.

I thought the hell emerge put me through last time would cover me for
the next six months... =(


Emerge seems to want to pretend it is possible to update packages
without breaking anything. It's not. That's why there's revdep-rebuild.
It is causing much much much more grief by refusing to do it's goddamned
motherfucking job than it would be by giving revdep-rebulid a chance to
do it's job.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Emerge

[J. Roeleveld]

On April 16, 2016 5:36:17 AM GMT+02:00, Alan Grimes <ALONZOTG@verizon.net> wrote:
>Emerge won't update a single goddammned package on my system.
>
>
>My number theory code finished a segment of work, (after a month), and
>it's time to reboot the system to propagate updates to nvidia drivers
>and such, uptime = 81 days.
>
>I thought the hell emerge put me through last time would cover me for
>the next six months... =(
>
>
>Emerge seems to want to pretend it is possible to update packages
>without breaking anything. It's not. That's why there's revdep-rebuild.
>It is causing much much much more grief by refusing to do it's
>goddamned
>motherfucking job than it would be by giving revdep-rebulid a chance to
>do it's job.

Why not learn from your mistakes like any intelligent being and stop making the same ones over and over again?
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Re: [gentoo-user] Emerge

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Fri, 15 Apr 2016 23:36:17 -0400, Alan Grimes wrote:

> Emerge won't update a single goddammned package on my system.
> 
> My number theory code finished a segment of work, (after a month), and
> it's time to reboot the system to propagate updates to nvidia drivers
> and such, uptime = 81 days.

This isn't Windows, you don't need to reboot to reload the graphics
drivers.

> I thought the hell emerge put me through last time would cover me for
> the next six months... =(
> 
> Emerge seems to want to pretend it is possible to update packages
> without breaking anything. It's not. That's why there's revdep-rebuild.
> It is causing much much much more grief by refusing to do it's goddamned
> motherfucking job than it would be by giving revdep-rebulid a chance to
> do it's job.

Based on the amount of useful information provided, I suspect this is a
PICNIC error.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Emerge

[Alan McKinnon]

On 16/04/2016 05:36, Alan Grimes wrote:
> Emerge won't update a single goddammned package on my system.
> 
> 
> My number theory code finished a segment of work, (after a month), and
> it's time to reboot the system to propagate updates to nvidia drivers
> and such, uptime = 81 days.
> 
> I thought the hell emerge put me through last time would cover me for
> the next six months... =(
> 
> 
> Emerge seems to want to pretend it is possible to update packages
> without breaking anything. It's not. That's why there's revdep-rebuild.
> It is causing much much much more grief by refusing to do it's goddamned
> motherfucking job than it would be by giving revdep-rebulid a chance to
> do it's job.
> 


Hello Mr Grimes,

I see you still have trouble dealing with your rage issues.

I recommend you seek professional help about that.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Emerge

[Mick]

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On Saturday 16 Apr 2016 11:10:45 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On 16/04/2016 05:36, Alan Grimes wrote:
> > Emerge won't update a single goddammned package on my system.
> > 
> > 
> > My number theory code finished a segment of work, (after a month), and
> > it's time to reboot the system to propagate updates to nvidia drivers
> > and such, uptime = 81 days.
> > 
> > I thought the hell emerge put me through last time would cover me for
> > the next six months... =(
> > 
> > 
> > Emerge seems to want to pretend it is possible to update packages
> > without breaking anything. It's not. That's why there's revdep-rebuild.
> > It is causing much much much more grief by refusing to do it's goddamned
> > motherfucking job than it would be by giving revdep-rebulid a chance to
> > do it's job.
> 
> Hello Mr Grimes,
> 
> I see you still have trouble dealing with your rage issues.
> 
> I recommend you seek professional help about that.

Nah!  Let the man vent.  Gentoo is a particularly effective (meta)distro for 
this purpose too.  It will invariably do *exactly* what you instruct it, 
although this comes with no guarantee this will be what wanted it to do.  

It forces you to learn through practice.  ;-)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Emerge

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Sat, 16 Apr 2016 11:05:40 +0100, Mick wrote:

> > Hello Mr Grimes,
> > 
> > I see you still have trouble dealing with your rage issues.
> > 
> > I recommend you seek professional help about that.  
> 
> Nah!  Let the man vent.  Gentoo is a particularly effective
> (meta)distro for this purpose too.  It will invariably do *exactly*
> what you instruct it, although this comes with no guarantee this will
> be what wanted it to do.  
> 
> It forces you to learn through practice.  ;-)

It may try to do that, but the evidence suggests this does not always
happen.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Emerge

[Alan Grimes]

Mick wrote:
> Hello Mr Grimes,
>
> I see you still have trouble dealing with your rage issues.
>
> I recommend you seek professional help about that.
> Nah!  Let the man vent.  Gentoo is a particularly effective (meta)distro for 
> this purpose too.  It will invariably do *exactly* what you instruct it, 
> although this comes with no guarantee this will be what wanted it to do.  
>
> It forces you to learn through practice.  ;-)

No, not in this case.
Emerge is clearly looking for any tenible excuse not to do anything
whatsoever, and will not do anything at all if any such excuse exists.

Six months ago, it wasn't like this. It would generally plow ahead and
start compiling the shit you asked it to. This WOULD sometimes cause
problems, which could affect multi-user systems and server situations,
but on my desktop, all of these problems would go away by the end of the
update list and 95% of the time, revdep-rebuild wouldn't have anything
to do.

And then some pinhead got an idea that you could verify the workingness
of every package by spending twenty minutes of cpu time examining
ebuilds....

This could work, (given 20 minutes) almost, if you set --backtrack=30.
However, not having this set by default is a wonderful opportunity to
annoy the crap out of the user and such opportunities are never to be
passed up. NEVER!!

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Re: [gentoo-user] Emerge

[Dale]

Alan Grimes wrote:
> Mick wrote:
>> Hello Mr Grimes,
>>
>> I see you still have trouble dealing with your rage issues.
>>
>> I recommend you seek professional help about that.
>> Nah!  Let the man vent.  Gentoo is a particularly effective (meta)distro for 
>> this purpose too.  It will invariably do *exactly* what you instruct it, 
>> although this comes with no guarantee this will be what wanted it to do.  
>>
>> It forces you to learn through practice.  ;-)
> No, not in this case.
> Emerge is clearly looking for any tenible excuse not to do anything
> whatsoever, and will not do anything at all if any such excuse exists.
>
> Six months ago, it wasn't like this. It would generally plow ahead and
> start compiling the shit you asked it to. This WOULD sometimes cause
> problems, which could affect multi-user systems and server situations,
> but on my desktop, all of these problems would go away by the end of the
> update list and 95% of the time, revdep-rebuild wouldn't have anything
> to do.
>
> And then some pinhead got an idea that you could verify the workingness
> of every package by spending twenty minutes of cpu time examining
> ebuilds....
>
> This could work, (given 20 minutes) almost, if you set --backtrack=30.
> However, not having this set by default is a wonderful opportunity to
> annoy the crap out of the user and such opportunities are never to be
> passed up. NEVER!!
>


I've mentioned this before.  The reason you are running into all this is
because of the update process YOU use.  Because you chose to use a
update process that several very experienced Gentoo users have told you
will result in this sort of problem, you need to place the blame
somewhere besides on Gentoo and emerge. 

Yea, emerge can have its bumps at times and do something unexpected, but
in your case, it is not emerge that is causing the problem.  If the
problem was emerge, other people on this list would be running into the
same problem you are.  Gentoo updates do not work like Ubuntu or some
other binary based distro.  You will learn that or find yourself in the
exact same mess you are in now until you do.  How long that takes is up
to you tho. 

Basically, take the advice from some people who have been doing this for
years or continue along the path that you have proven doesn't work. 
When people like Alan McKinnon or Neil tell you that what you are doing
isn't going to end well, it pays to listen.  Heck, even I know better
than to update my Gentoo box the way you do and I don't even try and
claim to know as much as either of those two much less both put together. 

Might I also add, besides blaming emerge, why not post with some info
that people can actually look at?  As it is now, I don't think you have
even posted what package you are having trouble with.  I don't have ESP
and I don't recall seeing anyone else on this list claiming they have it
either.  I can recall me blasting hal but one thing about it, people
knew what problem I was having and what it was with. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Emerge

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

Am 16.04.2016 um 16:26 schrieb Alan Grimes:
> Mick wrote:
>> Hello Mr Grimes,
>>
>> I see you still have trouble dealing with your rage issues.
>>
>> I recommend you seek professional help about that.
>> Nah!  Let the man vent.  Gentoo is a particularly effective (meta)distro for 
>> this purpose too.  It will invariably do *exactly* what you instruct it, 
>> although this comes with no guarantee this will be what wanted it to do.  
>>
>> It forces you to learn through practice.  ;-)
> No, not in this case.
> Emerge is clearly looking for any tenible excuse not to do anything
> whatsoever, and will not do anything at all if any such excuse exists.
>
> Six months ago, it wasn't like this. It would generally plow ahead and
> start compiling the shit you asked it to. This WOULD sometimes cause
> problems, which could affect multi-user systems and server situations,
> but on my desktop, all of these problems would go away by the end of the
> update list and 95% of the time, revdep-rebuild wouldn't have anything
> to do.
>
> And then some pinhead got an idea that you could verify the workingness
> of every package by spending twenty minutes of cpu time examining
> ebuilds....
>
> This could work, (given 20 minutes) almost, if you set --backtrack=30.
> However, not having this set by default is a wonderful opportunity to
> annoy the crap out of the user and such opportunities are never to be
> passed up. NEVER!!
>

you do stupid things and then complain that the system does not work.

Why don't you stop doing stupid things?

That said, C 1.0 blocks A 1.0 but updating to C 2.0 would solve it, does
happen, even if you do not act retarded, BUT those instances are usually
easy to solve.

Instead of letting portage hang to dry and ranting on this ml, smart
people just emerge -u C and then go on with the rest of the updates.
Wow, that was hard. I am sweating all over. Maybe I should lay down for
a while. After a long shower.

Re: [gentoo-user] Emerge

[Alan Grimes]

Dale wrote:
> Basically, take the advice from some people who have been doing this
> for years or continue along the path that you have proven doesn't work. 

I've got more years on gentoo that most of you. Indeed, my home
directory probably has detritus in it dating back to 2004.

I only joined this list a few months ago because emerge was starting to
cause problems, which have only gotten worse with subsequent updates.

I am speaking from many years of experience with weekly updates when I
tell you that ubuntu-style "update everything while I go play Space
Invaders" (Or Kerbal Space Program) absolutely does work unless emerge
decides to get stupid and look for excuses not to do what you asked it
to. The problem is absolutely not the individual e-builds, most of them
are stunningly reliable. The problem is that Emerge isn't even giving
them a chance to do their work. =| This is not the way it used to be,
this is a new set of checks that have been implemented recently that's
really fucking me up.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Emerge

[Alan Grimes]

Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> you do stupid things and then complain that the system does not work.
>
> Why don't you stop doing stupid things?
>
> That said, C 1.0 blocks A 1.0 but updating to C 2.0 would solve it, does
> happen, even if you do not act retarded, BUT those instances are usually
> easy to solve.

1. I have self respect. I will not allow my computer to give me
busy-work like that.

2. The error would be:

"ha ha ha you thought you could update C when A 1.0 is incompatible with
B 2.0 , you should RTFM you stoopeed nooob!"

It is fundamentally broken. =| 

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[gentoo-user] Re: Emerge

[»Q«]

On Sat, 16 Apr 2016 12:41:37 -0400
Alan Grimes <ALONZOTG@verizon.net> wrote:

> I've got more years on gentoo that most of you.

I wonder how you determined that, but it doesn't matter;  it's the
content of posts that reveal cluelessness quotient, not a clock.

> I only joined this list a few months ago because emerge was starting
> to cause problems

You joined the wrong list -- this one's for helping each other.
Unfortunately, I don't know what is the right list for informing the
world that portage is malicious and out to get you.

> I am speaking from many years of experience with weekly updates when I
> tell you that ubuntu-style "update everything while I go play Space
> Invaders" (Or Kerbal Space Program) absolutely does work unless emerge
> decides to get stupid and look for excuses not to do what you asked it
> to.

That's funny, IME portage is better at automagically resolving blockers
than it ever was in the past.  Then again, I don't know how it was
before 2001.

(Sorry, everyone.  I'll try to quit feeding it, I promise.)

Re: [gentoo-user] Emerge

[Dale]

Alan Grimes wrote:
> Dale wrote:
>> Basically, take the advice from some people who have been doing this
>> for years or continue along the path that you have proven doesn't work. 
> I've got more years on gentoo that most of you. Indeed, my home
> directory probably has detritus in it dating back to 2004.
>
> I only joined this list a few months ago because emerge was starting to
> cause problems, which have only gotten worse with subsequent updates.
>
> I am speaking from many years of experience with weekly updates when I
> tell you that ubuntu-style "update everything while I go play Space
> Invaders" (Or Kerbal Space Program) absolutely does work unless emerge
> decides to get stupid and look for excuses not to do what you asked it
> to. The problem is absolutely not the individual e-builds, most of them
> are stunningly reliable. The problem is that Emerge isn't even giving
> them a chance to do their work. =| This is not the way it used to be,
> this is a new set of checks that have been implemented recently that's
> really fucking me up.
>
>


FYI, 2003.  I installed from the 1.4 CD.  No clue how long Alan M. or
Neil has been lurking about but even if it was shorter than that, they
know a LOT more than you do about updating Gentoo.  As I said, I don't
claim to be a Gentoo genius but even I know better than to do what you
are doing the way you are doing it.  Some of us know exactly why you are
having the problems you are but you continue to refuse to listen. 

By all means tho, keep doing what you are doing.  The only person you
are hurting is yourself.  No one else on this list is having the
problems you are.  If it was emerge that was causing it, others would be
posting about it.

Wish we could help but I don't see it happening any time soon. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Emerge

[Dale]

Alan Grimes wrote:
> Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>> you do stupid things and then complain that the system does not work.
>>
>> Why don't you stop doing stupid things?
>>
>> That said, C 1.0 blocks A 1.0 but updating to C 2.0 would solve it, does
>> happen, even if you do not act retarded, BUT those instances are usually
>> easy to solve.
> 1. I have self respect. I will not allow my computer to give me
> busy-work like that.
>
> 2. The error would be:
>
> "ha ha ha you thought you could update C when A 1.0 is incompatible with
> B 2.0 , you should RTFM you stoopeed nooob!"
>
> It is fundamentally broken. =| 
>

What is broken is not emerge.  What is broken is your process.  Since
you have ran into this problem before when no one else has, I would hope
you would get the idea.  It's not like this is your first time. 

I might add, you may want to read the thread about other Gentoo folks
talking about how easy their updates have been lately.  I might add, I
did a emerge -e world and recompiled over 1400 packages with only one
failure.  In the past, I've done emerge -e world and not have any
failures.  Actually, I haven't had very many failures when doing a
emerge -e world in a long time. 

I run a mix of stable and unstable here which itself can be tricky. 
During the recent plasma switch, emerge did a really good job letting me
know what changes needed to be made so that I could get the updates
done.  The biggest change I had to make was a few USE flags.  All I had
to do was read what emerge gave me and edit the package.use file. 

Let us know when you are ready for some help on your process. Until
then, I have no idea if anyone can help you.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Emerge

[J. Roeleveld]

On Saturday, April 16, 2016 12:41:37 PM Alan Grimes wrote:
> Dale wrote:
> > Basically, take the advice from some people who have been doing this
> > for years or continue along the path that you have proven doesn't work.
> 
> I've got more years on gentoo that most of you. Indeed, my home
> directory probably has detritus in it dating back to 2004.

And haven't learned a few basic skills since?

> I only joined this list a few months ago because emerge was starting to
> cause problems, which have only gotten worse with subsequent updates.

Hmm.... 12 equals a few?
By that logic, you only have been using Gentoo for a few years...

> I am speaking from many years of experience with weekly updates when I
> tell you that ubuntu-style "update everything while I go play Space
> Invaders" (Or Kerbal Space Program) absolutely does work unless emerge
> decides to get stupid and look for excuses not to do what you asked it
> to. The problem is absolutely not the individual e-builds, most of them
> are stunningly reliable. The problem is that Emerge isn't even giving
> them a chance to do their work. =| This is not the way it used to be,
> this is a new set of checks that have been implemented recently that's
> really fucking me up.

Portage has become a lot more stable in the past couple of years compared to 
when I first started.
Even the messages about what the problems are have become easier to read.

For the "difficult" changes, the upgrade guides the devs create are very clear 
and easy to follow.

Have you actually TRIED to learn how to use the tools provided? Or are you the 
kind of person that will happily use a rock to hammer in a screw?

--
Joost

Re: [gentoo-user] Emerge

[J. Roeleveld]

On Saturday, April 16, 2016 12:47:14 PM Alan Grimes wrote:
> Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> > you do stupid things and then complain that the system does not work.
> > 
> > Why don't you stop doing stupid things?
> > 
> > That said, C 1.0 blocks A 1.0 but updating to C 2.0 would solve it, does
> > happen, even if you do not act retarded, BUT those instances are usually
> > easy to solve.
> 
> 1. I have self respect. I will not allow my computer to give me
> busy-work like that.

You will have to. As it's the only respect you'll get....

> 2. The error would be:
> 
> "ha ha ha you thought you could update C when A 1.0 is incompatible with
> B 2.0 , you should RTFM you stoopeed nooob!"

How did you get portage to give those error messages?
I'd love to get those...

> It is fundamentally broken. =|

So are your methods.

--
Joost

Re: [gentoo-user] Emerge

[Alan McKinnon]

On 16/04/2016 18:47, Alan Grimes wrote:
> Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>> you do stupid things and then complain that the system does not work.
>>
>> Why don't you stop doing stupid things?
>>
>> That said, C 1.0 blocks A 1.0 but updating to C 2.0 would solve it, does
>> happen, even if you do not act retarded, BUT those instances are usually
>> easy to solve.
> 
> 1. I have self respect. I will not allow my computer to give me
> busy-work like that.
> 
> 2. The error would be:
> 
> "ha ha ha you thought you could update C when A 1.0 is incompatible with
> B 2.0 , you should RTFM you stoopeed nooob!"
> 
> It is fundamentally broken. =| 
> 


Hey derp, yo!

Put your money where your mouth is and post the output that proves
emerge is doing it wrong.

Go on, I DARE you.



-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Emerge

[Alan McKinnon]

On 16/04/2016 18:58, »Q« wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Apr 2016 12:41:37 -0400
> Alan Grimes <ALONZOTG@verizon.net> wrote:
> 
>> I've got more years on gentoo that most of you.
> 
> I wonder how you determined that, but it doesn't matter;  it's the
> content of posts that reveal cluelessness quotient, not a clock.
> 
>> I only joined this list a few months ago because emerge was starting
>> to cause problems
> 
> You joined the wrong list -- this one's for helping each other.
> Unfortunately, I don't know what is the right list for informing the
> world that portage is malicious and out to get you.
> 
>> I am speaking from many years of experience with weekly updates when I
>> tell you that ubuntu-style "update everything while I go play Space
>> Invaders" (Or Kerbal Space Program) absolutely does work unless emerge
>> decides to get stupid and look for excuses not to do what you asked it
>> to.
> 
> That's funny, IME portage is better at automagically resolving blockers
> than it ever was in the past.  Then again, I don't know how it was
> before 2001.

Oh gawd it was awful. You'd get a message saying two things blocked and
it was up to you to unblock them yourself.

But, things in computing were simpler in those days. Disks were IDE or
SCSI, a desktop was just X11 plus a bunch of apps, some of them aware of
each other. Hotplugging sort of worked but not really for external disks
(if you even had one that is). All of /dev was static and we had MAKEDEV
- it created one of everything you'd ever need and if not, well there
was mknod

And the most complex thing portage had to deal with was virtuals.
I don't think even SLOTs were around then.

Nowadays things are so different, out hardware is vastly more complex,
so is the software and portage has to keep up. Here's something
important to consider:

The most complex calculation most of us ever ask our computers to do is
what portage needs to figure out for emerge -avuND world

Like Dale correctly keeps pointing out, this isn't Ubuntu which only
gives you one choice - the one the package maintainer made. Gentoo is
unique in that it has to cope[1] with any choice the user decided to
make, and still get the answer right. Even my fleet of FreeBSD servers
doesn't offer that choice - I can compile from ports, but a port only
has one version and each has a poor replacement for USE.


[1] in truth, it's the devs who have to cope with that. They need to get
a reasonably good idea of what will work with set and set the blockers
accordingly. Portage only follows their hints. So thumbs up to our devs!


> 
> (Sorry, everyone.  I'll try to quit feeding it, I promise.)
> 
> 


-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Emerge

[J. Roeleveld]

On Saturday, April 16, 2016 09:47:15 PM Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On 16/04/2016 18:58, »Q« wrote:
> > On Sat, 16 Apr 2016 12:41:37 -0400
> > 
> > Alan Grimes <ALONZOTG@verizon.net> wrote:
> >> I've got more years on gentoo that most of you.
> > 
> > I wonder how you determined that, but it doesn't matter;  it's the
> > content of posts that reveal cluelessness quotient, not a clock.
> > 
> >> I only joined this list a few months ago because emerge was starting
> >> to cause problems
> > 
> > You joined the wrong list -- this one's for helping each other.
> > Unfortunately, I don't know what is the right list for informing the
> > world that portage is malicious and out to get you.
> > 
> >> I am speaking from many years of experience with weekly updates when I
> >> tell you that ubuntu-style "update everything while I go play Space
> >> Invaders" (Or Kerbal Space Program) absolutely does work unless emerge
> >> decides to get stupid and look for excuses not to do what you asked it
> >> to.
> > 
> > That's funny, IME portage is better at automagically resolving blockers
> > than it ever was in the past.  Then again, I don't know how it was
> > before 2001.
> 
> Oh gawd it was awful. You'd get a message saying two things blocked and
> it was up to you to unblock them yourself.
>
> But, things in computing were simpler in those days. Disks were IDE or
> SCSI,

Don't forget MFM disks.
And those only cover IBM-style PCs....

> a desktop was just X11 plus a bunch of apps, some of them aware of
> each other. Hotplugging sort of worked but not really for external disks
> (if you even had one that is). All of /dev was static and we had MAKEDEV
> - it created one of everything you'd ever need and if not, well there
> was mknod

Yes, a /dev with a gazillion items...

> And the most complex thing portage had to deal with was virtuals.
> I don't think even SLOTs were around then.

I doubt it. I think SLOTs came sometime around 2010?

> Nowadays things are so different, out hardware is vastly more complex,
> so is the software and portage has to keep up. Here's something
> important to consider:
> 
> The most complex calculation most of us ever ask our computers to do is
> what portage needs to figure out for emerge -avuND world

That dependency tree logic seems simple to some of the stuff I've seen in the 
past. It's still one of the most complex calculations one can come up with.

> Like Dale correctly keeps pointing out, this isn't Ubuntu which only
> gives you one choice - the one the package maintainer made. Gentoo is
> unique in that it has to cope[1] with any choice the user decided to
> make, and still get the answer right. Even my fleet of FreeBSD servers
> doesn't offer that choice - I can compile from ports, but a port only
> has one version and each has a poor replacement for USE.
> 
> [1] in truth, it's the devs who have to cope with that. They need to get
> a reasonably good idea of what will work with set and set the blockers
> accordingly. Portage only follows their hints. So thumbs up to our devs!

I agree, we have really good devs

--
Joost

Re: [gentoo-user] Emerge

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Sat, 16 Apr 2016 12:47:14 -0400, Alan Grimes wrote:

> It is fundamentally broken. =| 

Of course it is, that's why almost all of us[1] are experiencing the
same problems as you. If it was just you, then is would be reasonable to
assume the problem was with you, which is clearly impossible to even
consider.

[1] For values of all <= 1 


-- 
Neil Bothwick

Top Oxymorons Number 28: Butt Head

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Re: [gentoo-user] Emerge

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Sat, 16 Apr 2016 12:41:37 -0400, Alan Grimes wrote:

> I've got more years on gentoo that most of you. Indeed, my home
> directory probably has detritus in it dating back to 2004.

Does that mean you have 12 years experience, or 3 months experience 48
times over?

> I only joined this list a few months ago

Really? It seems like longer.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

If bankers can count, how come they have eight windows and only four
tellers?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Emerge

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Sat, 16 Apr 2016 11:58:17 -0500, »Q« wrote:

> You joined the wrong list -- this one's for helping each other.
> Unfortunately, I don't know what is the right list for informing the
> world that portage is malicious and out to get you.

You want Abuse, that's room 12A, just along the corridor.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

ASSISTANT MANAGER: Feminine form of the word manager (q.v.).

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Re: [gentoo-user] Emerge

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Sat, 16 Apr 2016 10:26:34 -0400, Alan Grimes wrote:

> but on my desktop, all of these problems would go away by the end of the
> update list and 95% of the time, revdep-rebuild wouldn't have anything
> to do.

That would mean that one in twenty updates would break your system,
requiring revdep-rebuild to fix it. You'd have to be pretty dumb to
prefer a system that allows breakage and require repair after the fact
over one that does its best to avoid such breakage in the first place.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

"Energize!" said Picard and the pink bunny appeared...

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[gentoo-user] Re: Emerge

[Jonathan Callen]

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On 04/16/2016 04:02 PM, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> On Saturday, April 16, 2016 09:47:15 PM Alan McKinnon wrote:
>> On 16/04/2016 18:58, »Q« wrote: And the most complex thing
>> portage had to deal with was virtuals. I don't think even SLOTs
>> were around then.
> 
> I doubt it. I think SLOTs came sometime around 2010?
> 

SLOTs have been around a very long time, they were first introduced in
portage 1.8.9_pre1, released 5 Feb 2002.  Before SLOTs were
introduced, all versions of a package were effectively in a different
SLOT; this meant that portage would not remove an older version of a
package just because you installed a newer version.  At that time,
portage did not have any collision-protect mechanism (or so it appears).

- -- 
Jonathan Callen
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