From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7006A1389E3 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2014 07:11:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 62B24E08A5; Fri, 31 Oct 2014 07:11:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpq2.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net (smtpq2.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net [212.54.42.165]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33E01E0783 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2014 07:11:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [212.54.42.137] (helo=smtp6.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq2.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Xk6Me-0002Y5-EM for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2014 08:11:16 +0100 Received: from 53579160.cm-6-8c.dynamic.ziggo.nl ([83.87.145.96] helo=data.antarean.org) by smtp6.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Xk6Me-0006RU-1U for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2014 08:11:16 +0100 Received: from andromeda.localnet (unknown [10.20.13.200]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by data.antarean.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 84CF84B for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2014 08:10:34 +0100 (CET) From: "J. Roeleveld" To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] alternative kernels Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 08:11:07 +0100 Message-ID: <5707050.LYlfBLMIFp@andromeda> Organization: Antarean User-Agent: KMail/4.12.5 (Linux/3.16.5-gentoo; KDE/4.12.5; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: References: <1721456.cxhDToZz1Z@andromeda> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Ziggo-spambar: ---- X-Ziggo-spamscore: -4.9 X-Ziggo-spamreport: ALL_TRUSTED=-1,BAYES_00=-1.9,PROLO_TRUST_RDNS=-3,RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.982 X-Ziggo-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Flag: No X-Archives-Salt: 812a6d8f-3613-44c1-abb0-14f4460ccfb1 X-Archives-Hash: d144fbdab9f5c73868703fb5a230f45a On Friday, October 31, 2014 12:37:35 AM Canek Pel=E1ez Vald=E9s wrote: > On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 12:30 AM, J. Roeleveld w= rote: > > On Thursday, October 30, 2014 06:31:25 AM Rich Freeman wrote: > >> On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 3:56 AM, J. Roeleveld = wrote: > >> > On Sunday, October 26, 2014 02:16:24 PM Canek Pel=E1ez Vald=E9s = wrote: > >> >> And with systemd, rebooting to a new kernel takes just a few se= conds > >> >> ;) > >> >=20 > >> > And here I was thinking that the pro-systemd crowd doesn't care = about > >> > the > >> > boot-time of systemd? > >> > (See the " [OT} Linus Torvalds on systemd" thread around 18 - 21= > >> > september) > >> >=20 > >> > Please make up your mind on this. > >>=20 > >> This might come as a bit of a shock, but people use Gentoo for > >> different reasons, run different init systems, different udev > >> implementations, and so on. Well, believe it or not, systemd user= s > >> are exactly the same way and use different components of systemd f= or > >> different reasons. People also drive different types of cars, for= > >> different reasons. > >=20 > > I agree on this. But in the thread I mentioned, Mark David Dumlao w= as > > quite > > aggressive in his wording when the subject was brought up and he cl= aimed > > systemd proponents don't care. Canek is the biggest proponent for s= ystemd > > on this list. >=20 > You should have answered then to Mark, not to me, given that I did no= t > said anything in that sub-thread. My apologies. > But if it makes you happy, I will try to take notes in the next Big > SystemD Evil Conspiracy Meeting so in the future I do not contradict > any statement from anyone in the Pure Evil Directorate. I knew it! There really is one! :) Thing is, I don't see any benefit, for myself, in systemd. If people want to use it, fine. But, if people are trying to force it upon everyone, then I will have a= =20 problem with it. Systemd is, in my opinion, suffering from the same feature-creep as Gru= b2 does. Grub1 was faster, because it was smaller. But it isn't working propery = anymore=20 and Grub2 does its job. I just don't see the point in all the multimedi= a stuff=20 that was put into a bootloader. I just had a look at the use-flags for systemd, similarly to myself won= dering=20 about multimedia support in grub2, I wonder why there is an HTTP-server= =20 embedded in journald. I somehow doubt it has any real security on it an= d I=20 have seen programs write usernames and passwords to stdout/syslog when = running=20 with the default log-levels. -- Joost