From: "J. Roeleveld" <joost@antarean.org>
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] alternative kernels
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 08:11:07 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5707050.LYlfBLMIFp@andromeda> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CADPrc83zzN7y7dPe2NaK3SrZojnCdBOxp=np+AFoKmYZuBJGdw@mail.gmail.com>
On Friday, October 31, 2014 12:37:35 AM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 12:30 AM, J. Roeleveld <joost@antarean.org> wrote:
> > On Thursday, October 30, 2014 06:31:25 AM Rich Freeman wrote:
> >> On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 3:56 AM, J. Roeleveld <joost@antarean.org> wrote:
> >> > On Sunday, October 26, 2014 02:16:24 PM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> >> >> And with systemd, rebooting to a new kernel takes just a few seconds
> >> >> ;)
> >> >
> >> > And here I was thinking that the pro-systemd crowd doesn't care about
> >> > the
> >> > boot-time of systemd?
> >> > (See the " [OT} Linus Torvalds on systemd" thread around 18 - 21
> >> > september)
> >> >
> >> > Please make up your mind on this.
> >>
> >> This might come as a bit of a shock, but people use Gentoo for
> >> different reasons, run different init systems, different udev
> >> implementations, and so on. Well, believe it or not, systemd users
> >> are exactly the same way and use different components of systemd for
> >> different reasons. People also drive different types of cars, for
> >> different reasons.
> >
> > I agree on this. But in the thread I mentioned, Mark David Dumlao was
> > quite
> > aggressive in his wording when the subject was brought up and he claimed
> > systemd proponents don't care. Canek is the biggest proponent for systemd
> > on this list.
>
> You should have answered then to Mark, not to me, given that I did not
> said anything in that sub-thread.
My apologies.
> But if it makes you happy, I will try to take notes in the next Big
> SystemD Evil Conspiracy Meeting so in the future I do not contradict
> any statement from anyone in the Pure Evil Directorate.
I knew it! There really is one! :)
Thing is, I don't see any benefit, for myself, in systemd.
If people want to use it, fine.
But, if people are trying to force it upon everyone, then I will have a
problem with it.
Systemd is, in my opinion, suffering from the same feature-creep as Grub2 does.
Grub1 was faster, because it was smaller. But it isn't working propery anymore
and Grub2 does its job. I just don't see the point in all the multimedia stuff
that was put into a bootloader.
I just had a look at the use-flags for systemd, similarly to myself wondering
about multimedia support in grub2, I wonder why there is an HTTP-server
embedded in journald. I somehow doubt it has any real security on it and I
have seen programs write usernames and passwords to stdout/syslog when running
with the default log-levels.
--
Joost
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Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-10-26 19:09 [gentoo-user] alternative kernels Alexander Kapshuk
2014-10-26 19:23 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-10-26 19:40 ` Alexander Kapshuk
2014-10-26 20:20 ` Rich Freeman
2014-10-26 20:45 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-10-26 20:33 ` Giuseppe Pappalardo
2014-10-26 19:41 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-10-26 19:43 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-10-26 20:56 ` Giuseppe Pappalardo
2014-10-26 19:47 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2014-10-26 19:52 ` Alexander Kapshuk
2014-10-26 19:56 ` Alec Ten Harmsel
2014-10-26 20:16 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-10-26 20:21 ` Alexander Kapshuk
2014-10-26 20:42 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-10-26 20:48 ` Alexander Kapshuk
2014-10-26 20:46 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-10-26 20:49 ` Alexander Kapshuk
2014-10-26 21:01 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2014-10-26 21:16 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-10-26 23:18 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2014-10-26 23:41 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-10-27 1:12 ` wabenbau
2014-10-27 1:35 ` Alec Ten Harmsel
2014-10-27 1:54 ` wabenbau
2014-10-29 19:08 ` Matti Nykyri
2014-10-26 21:34 ` Rich Freeman
2014-10-26 21:10 ` Alec Ten Harmsel
2014-10-26 21:23 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-10-26 21:48 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-10-26 23:25 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2014-10-30 7:56 ` J. Roeleveld
2014-10-30 10:31 ` Rich Freeman
2014-10-31 6:30 ` J. Roeleveld
2014-10-31 6:37 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-10-31 7:11 ` J. Roeleveld [this message]
2014-10-31 8:22 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-10-31 9:42 ` Gregory Woodbury
2014-10-31 11:05 ` Tanstaafl
2014-10-31 14:09 ` J. Roeleveld
2014-10-31 16:16 ` Peter Humphrey
2014-10-31 17:24 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2014-10-31 17:53 ` Rich Freeman
2014-10-31 20:26 ` Neil Bothwick
2014-11-01 11:19 ` Peter Humphrey
2014-11-01 15:38 ` Neil Bothwick
2014-11-01 17:19 ` Peter Humphrey
2014-11-01 22:28 ` Neil Bothwick
2014-11-02 13:14 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2014-11-02 15:28 ` Neil Bothwick
2014-11-03 2:09 ` Tom H
2014-11-03 8:36 ` Neil Bothwick
2014-11-02 23:05 ` Tom H
2014-11-03 0:46 ` Peter Humphrey
2014-11-03 2:26 ` Tom H
2014-10-31 22:09 ` Tom H
2014-10-31 22:30 ` Rich Freeman
2014-11-01 1:03 ` Alec Ten Harmsel
2014-11-01 9:47 ` Rich Freeman
2014-11-01 15:50 ` Alec Ten Harmsel
2014-11-03 1:54 ` Tom H
2014-11-03 1:40 ` Tom H
2014-11-03 0:22 ` Tom H
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