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Audio: No To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org References: <20161015182743.GB4541@solfire> <20161216101951.GA29887@g0n.xdwgrp> <20161216131315.GA4052@g0n.xdwgrp> <20161216165118.GA26704@g0n.xdwgrp> <20161217055520.GA13608@waltdnes.org> <20161217085341.311b4c0f@digimed.co.uk> <8610f2b9-4407-05d1-e79f-3177bcdcdc1c@baums-on-web.de> <20161217131756.276f3eb1@digimed.co.uk> <5ed146ea-6279-e6d5-8ee2-c1c86291dd2c@baums-on-web.de> <82b4f7ab-d1a2-256c-1be0-965937d02152@gmail.com> From: Alan McKinnon Message-ID: <57061ae4-e12d-1d93-94b6-91a789d28e1e@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 00:53:46 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.5.1 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: cf976ae9-1a23-44eb-839e-e9847b9293c5 X-Archives-Hash: 04e7a36850a56f89f0d106e31ee46f2d On 17/12/2016 20:22, Heiko Baums wrote: > Am 17.12.2016 um 16:44 schrieb Alan McKinnon: >> It's not Neil's job to solve your problems. It's your job. >> >> Neil isn't offering a solution to you, he's trying to guide your >> thoughts in a direction where you can see solutions, so please stop >> asking him (or anyone else) to find them for you. > > No he isn't offering a solution. He claims that nobody is forcing me to > using systemd. Well, Gentoo isn't indeed, but the other distros are. > > I just asked him for a solution. I couldn't find one so far. > > But I guess you are also one of those Poettering fanboys when I read > your arguments. No, I'm not a Poetering fanboy, and you seem to be seeing the world in a way that fits your biases. None of my Gentoo machines have systemd. One of them has pulseaudio. My work laptop runs Mint and that has systemd because ... that's what it comes with. All my Ubuntu 16.04 VMs have systemd (they ship like that), the Ubuntu 14.04 VMs have upstart. But the VMS I like most are the FreeBSD ones; they run good old-fashioned rc. And you really need to go back and read the thread. Of course nobody said Neil is offering you a solution; it is you that are demanding one from people that never said they would. And of all the stupid places to do it, the one place almost certain to not give you what you want - on a public mailing list! Please, grow up and stop whining. It's getting tiresom. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon@gmail.com