From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 409091384B4 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 2015 20:48:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C3B0721C048; Mon, 23 Nov 2015 20:48:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wm0-f49.google.com (mail-wm0-f49.google.com [74.125.82.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AFFEF21C003 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 2015 20:48:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wmww144 with SMTP id w144so113002237wmw.1 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 2015 12:48:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=eccPV6zohu0A8fYMAHQfMEBsH4KNKFpeWkivzWXGMfU=; b=n+b5GUTUpJpdMGKzPnFKvR8mbqRn7F6lzYyqRbMb5F0BiUcxRaq7QeUglWgtqSywEa tqBawlpNp1gfjadbcY2EpKiEUONMZZQyEG1+0b/BWjpXv99QxmnDYWt8UUfdNlSGzD/q EF6ZEC+yt+aJkgJ7Wz/3U8gC6YQoBLbwnqQoO2YAwKJioIUN66MQEiQKFPfGwbU8yRS2 WMp2VHCEJlRpgl05CC0MASe2ICGU+tIVORTIl59lcivaZeKBvn+xJ6aZk3m/4P0/7RPk 3y04RCuMOjBVQ31547PTVwcYlYCeuc0Rx0ABqppEfVGldp073BLYwFmwPzHh6wqV8jZ/ 91tA== X-Received: by 10.194.2.33 with SMTP id 1mr37749544wjr.150.1448311722346; Mon, 23 Nov 2015 12:48:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.29.2.12] ([209.212.109.4]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id q1sm14950793wje.39.2015.11.23.12.48.40 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 23 Nov 2015 12:48:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Traffic_shaping To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org References: <87r3jmhwgp.fsf@heimdali.yagibdah.de> <87fuzxgdi1.fsf@heimdali.yagibdah.de> <1782051.edZZWJELC6@wstn> <1527343.MWBo1Tue37@wstn> <20151123133009.GU3539@ns1.bonedaddy.net> <87si3we9zz.fsf@heimdali.yagibdah.de> From: Alan McKinnon Message-ID: <56537B67.2040902@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 22:47:35 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <87si3we9zz.fsf@heimdali.yagibdah.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: eee7cca9-202d-4d06-b4f9-098d5882b4cc X-Archives-Hash: 6768dd26a00812f07c413f2a5276ab90 On 23/11/2015 22:31, lee wrote: > Todd Goodman writes: > >> * Peter Humphrey [151123 07:15]: >>> On Monday 23 November 2015 12:11:36 Peter Humphrey wrote: >>>> On Monday 23 November 2015 12:29:42 lee wrote: >>>>> Neil Bothwick writes: >>>>>> Grepping .config proves nothing. If a requirement of the option is not >>>>>> set, the option may not appear in .config. The only reliable test is >>>>>> the >>>>>> search facility in make *config. >>>>> >>>>> Search facility? >>>>> >>>>> I only use menuconfig and often times, it's difficult to find a >>>>> particular option I'm looking for. >>>> >>>> Touch the / key, then enter the option name minus the CONFIG_ prefix. Case >>>> is not sensitive. >>> >>> I forgot to add that if more than one result is returned, they're numbered. >>> Then if you hit the number key of the one you want, you go straight to it. >> >> And when you exit from reading that selection you get back to the >> results list. >> >> It's pretty slick and sure beats looking where I "think" it should be or >> grepping KConfig files. > > Wow, that might save me a lot of time :) > > And qdisc is extremely well hidden, I'd never have found that. It > doesn't show up unless other options are enabled: You have to know > exactly what you want to enable before even knowing that it's there. > > How are we supposed to be able to configure a kernel when we can't even > see the available options anymore? > By using a tool that *does* show you the options and how to make them available. The kernel devs have no desire to hold anyone's hand; they assume (correctly IMNSHO) that anyone configuring a kernel knows what they are doing and knows the tools to use. With that approach, sometimes the user runs into things they can't find, and it's an acceptable price to pay. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon@gmail.com