From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 98D6A138334 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 15:04:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D5893E0BAB; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 15:03:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gw2.antarean.org (gw2.antarean.org [141.105.125.208]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4823FE0B9F for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 15:03:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gw2.antarean.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D853212113F for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 16:04:04 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at antarean.org Received: from gw2.antarean.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (gw2.antarean.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aHu3VcjkpC85 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 16:04:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from mailstore1.antarean.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gw2.antarean.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96FE412104F for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 16:04:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (lan102.nl.antarean.org [10.20.13.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailstore1.antarean.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2D97625 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 16:03:56 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 15:03:54 +0000 In-Reply-To: <0fe209dd-649f-c1fc-8c84-4f84aad7ed15@gmx.com> References: <492d8bf4-4b8d-f7f6-05d8-2473b6825fab@gmail.com> <6651f356-8831-1d49-6d1e-adbe9d337b74@charter.net> <234e7289-0372-64de-5a94-d1aa82c7d40b@charter.net> <288c83f0-70a5-98ec-b082-d575239f0c03@gmail.com> <0456c03c-8a4b-17b9-b062-e42580ed531f@gmail.com> <20181210221412.2097b809@digimed.co.uk> <0fe209dd-649f-c1fc-8c84-4f84aad7ed15@gmx.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: CPU upgrade and LVM questions. To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org From: "J. Roeleveld" Message-ID: <5610AC0D-B041-4519-BAA1-ACC16D46B8AE@antarean.org> X-Archives-Salt: 3260f6cc-e94d-44aa-9019-d0db6fca0c92 X-Archives-Hash: e69cfb7eaa969db3ea2aae7ff7d203bd On December 11, 2018 2:00:45 AM UTC, "Taiidan@gmx=2Ecom" wrote: >On 12/10/2018 05:54 PM, Dale wrote: >> Neil Bothwick wrote: >>> On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 16:33:10 -0500, Taiidan@gmx=2Ecom wrote: >>> >>>>> Not sure which country would be a reliable location though, I >>>>> wouldn't trust Western European countries either=2E =20 >>>> USA is currently the best option since there have never been proven >>>> backdoors in made in usa hardware but plenty in chinese made >hardware >>>> such as the recent motherboard hack chip scandal=2E >>> So that proves that US manufacturers are better at hiding their back >>> doors? >>> >>> Or is it a numbers game, there are a hell of a lot more systems made >in >>> China, so the chances of a backdoor being discovered is higher=2E >>> >>> Either way, lack of evidence of insecurity is not proof of security=2E >>> > >So tell us what is your perfect country for hardware manufacturing? I can't think of any=2E >Name one other country on earth besides america where you can say no to >a governmental request for a backdoor in your hardware or software >products and not end up in prison=2E The USA can send someone to prison if he/she refuses a request by the gove= rnment=2E It is called being a traitor=2E In other words, I still don't consider the USA to be a reliable origin eit= her=2E >In the mean time will you continue to buy chinese products with proven >backdoors since getting that is somehow better than something that is >only almost perfect? Here is the thing, there isn't anything proven=2E >The amd bulldozer and piledriver CPU's like the FX-8350 and its opteron >counterparts are made in germany (the packaging is done in china but at >that point afaik there isn't much that can be done to fuck with it) but >that still wouldn't satisfy you since germany doesn't have anything >like >the constitution - they have no freedom of speech=2E Please do read up on other countries before making these claims=2E A Const= itution is not a requirement for Freedom of Speech=2E Part of that is Freed= om of Press, your own President is destroying that as much as he can=2E >The future of freedom computing is OpenPOWER and RISC-V since they are >the only owner controlled archs that have real performance and >features, >in other words they have juice=2E Unless you are confident production is real and nothing was added, OpenPow= er can be compromised as well=2E -- Joost --=20 Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail=2E Please excuse my brevity=2E