From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E58B1384C0 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 2015 21:48:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6076EE08EF; Sat, 29 Aug 2015 21:48:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from resqmta-ch2-01v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-01v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.33]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 468D8E08E2 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 2015 21:48:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from resomta-ch2-15v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.111]) by resqmta-ch2-01v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id AloM1r0022Qkjl901loM3t; Sat, 29 Aug 2015 21:48:21 +0000 Received: from [10.0.0.2] ([68.60.91.51]) by resomta-ch2-15v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id AloL1r00V16Uy7001loMMy; Sat, 29 Aug 2015 21:48:21 +0000 Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Grub1: Cant ? Re: keeping grub 1 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org References: <201508272003.05417.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> <20150828102431.130f9f8c@hactar.digimed.co.uk> <55E1D733.2020701@comcast.net> <20150829215649.52fc7415@digimed.co.uk> From: Michel Catudal Organization: =?UTF-8?Q?Pas_Organis=c3=a9_par_Ti-Mou?= Message-ID: <55E22896.1080600@comcast.net> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2015 17:48:06 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux Eniac; Joual; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20150829215649.52fc7415@digimed.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20140121; t=1440884901; bh=f9rTKNfA5tB8NodYqehtUkr2w2Q3wCHrSglEm45nvq4=; h=Received:Received:Subject:To:From:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=doWRWE4YQc7HqfczTbrBVslU/lkHFxzXBhsHQZOc6wE5wef6u2LBmDaSuqOwKHQH0 I1M/5BC+ukurBLwZvsGdsCi1s9DzjFLGdfHDw7MkuiStpSH0GSrwdYspxVNhb8V12Y u62XvC5puWr63GwxhdhoKjza0SjZzHdMXduA0EUp2YXGJqL2HINty0bfZsW+V8Qwf5 D7uAt8pV/YCtjUr9BQJ45PRqiQlXr4f2+JIGt+W5XKlQS6fR+yysLYUT4lmQ4v0/sp idUkQjxlF65PeEGaYAiFCK2H7ANb+ynSjRQg2IheCUZJTpS52RtvqRIMC+hq0EYtTf T9oJ+Iw5LL36w== X-Archives-Salt: 682994bd-55e2-4e24-b939-33203a8dde8a X-Archives-Hash: 8b08add0bf57679767089d647e939be6 Le 2015-08-29 16:56, Neil Bothwick a écrit : > On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 12:00:51 -0400, Michel Catudal wrote: > >>> I'm installing openSUSE 13.2 into a VM right now and the *default* >>> location for installing GRUB2 is a partition! So what's all the fuss >>> about? >> Not all distributions are Microsoft type. Fedora comes to mind. > WTF are you on about? You complain that GRUB2 can't install to a > partition, and call such restrictions Microsoft-like. I point out that > openSUSE does indeed install GRUB2 to a partition, just ike you want, and > now you call them Microsoft-like? > > So in your view, installing to the MBR is dictatorial like Microsoft > while installing to a partition like you say you want is also Microsoft > like? I think you should take Alan's advice. > > You should read more carefully, I mentioned that some distributions do not allow it. Someone mentioned that Fedora won't let you. I did succeed with Fedora but not during the normal installation. I have never had problems with SuSE which used to be my favorite before I started using gentoo and funtoo. Forcing to use only one operating system to control the PC is dictatorial. When I buy a computer I want to be in total control. When I have several OS installed I do not want one of them wiping out my bootloader access. My main system is gentoo and when I goof on an update I fall back on funtoo until I get time to fix the issue. My other installs are SuSE, Fedora. I also had centos and scientific linux before one of my hard disks died. I will probably install them again. Matter closed as I am getting bored discussing the issue, since both sides will never agree on the subject there is no point in talking any more about it. Some people just will never understand the necessity for us doing the kind of work I do for the need to have a reliable bootloader that is independant of any OS. Michel -- For Linux Software visit http://home.comcast.net/~mcatudal http://sourceforge.net/projects/suzielinux/