From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC7B71384C0 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 2015 16:38:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6E474E08D6; Sat, 29 Aug 2015 16:38:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wi0-f173.google.com (mail-wi0-f173.google.com [209.85.212.173]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 053D3E088B for ; Sat, 29 Aug 2015 16:38:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wicfv10 with SMTP id fv10so29564630wic.1 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 2015 09:38:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=NuW7ERvMwN/cRH1/gayiPSII2Ahzsu2d4MoBg8Xr/Io=; b=EzWblhr9dtV0Q57zKb2h6U4PBtbzuuyRTSJneNnWbwqxsWUuKI8jZOT1rdMOrv3ckG I+NqVZ5T/xXEJE/8gpSbUYHsNo4MPM5/jyHErTkc465o021QQMquEgdgkluTvwPuqWUP Br5jNVpOalCzO9loa5LsrsGWUtCGp1Xn6PQPeQHgzXa+s0RDZD5MH8by1YML8xmG1pDU +XfQY69h62J8j9tTqtjGon0mdqH69tN4+43ZyEqSDgnAeu6TIjkCFv0xZMX3v+avtgjG 61Zwcp6AiDHD4n7+mHvUlXDBu7ObS0tS1a4jsr7G5/bKeXwg4vVQCzJsEA+yaqf5DbF1 fniQ== X-Received: by 10.180.182.46 with SMTP id eb14mr164291wic.52.1440866319806; Sat, 29 Aug 2015 09:38:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.20.0.41] ([105.210.27.19]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id ne7sm9270056wic.12.2015.08.29.09.38.38 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 29 Aug 2015 09:38:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Grub1: Cant ? Re: keeping grub 1 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org References: <55DE3D41.1050301@comcast.net> <55E1DB22.50608@comcast.net> From: Alan McKinnon Message-ID: <55E1E003.90004@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2015 18:38:27 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <55E1DB22.50608@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archives-Salt: ce8f5f44-bccf-4db6-83cb-8c63fe4248c2 X-Archives-Hash: ffb497da7026698cae91c66aab203f3a On 29/08/2015 18:17, Michel Catudal wrote: > Le 2015-08-28 07:24, Tom H a écrit : >> On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Grant Edwards >> wrote: >>> On 2015-08-27, Mike Gilbert wrote: >>>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 6:27 PM, Michel Catudal >>>> wrote: >>>>> I've had serious problems in the past getting to to install on a >>>>> partition >>>>> and gave up. Is that bug fixed? It insists on installing on the MBR >>>>> which is >>>>> unacceptable. >>>> It's not a bug, and it won't be "fixed". Installing on a partition is >>>> simply not supported. >>> So, grub2 refuses to share power and cooperate with another bootloader. >>> Bill Gates would be pround. >>> >>> For those of us with multiple Linux installations on a disk, that's a >>> pretty big reason to stick with grub-legacy. >> You can boot multiple installations via grub2 with os-prober. >> > > You have to be able to boot the os that grub is installed on to be able > to fix booting issues. If the OS that has control of grub2 is wacked you > are screwed. > At least with a bootloader that independant of any operating system and > with a nice graphic interface it is a piece of cake to fix things since > you do not ever lose your bootloader unless you let grub write on the > MBR or on your bootloader partition. > > I know that you can boot on grub if it is not wiped but the interface is > not friendly at all and if you do not remember the syntax you are > screwed. Until grub becomes a nice real bootloader with a friendly user > interface it cannot be allowed to be the sole controller of booting. Michel PLEASE, get it now already, and stop cluttering up the list with your spew. DON'T LIKE GRUB? DON'T FUCKING USE IT. Meanwhile the grub devs will continue to write the code they want to write. You want them to do what you want? Pay them a salary, at market rates. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon@gmail.com