[gentoo-user] PANIC !!!!

[gentoo-user] PANIC !!!!

[Allan Spagnol Comar]

My hole linux box has crashed !!!!
I made a system update yesterday with emerge -Du world....

it update my apache, mantis, nagios, bind, mysql..... today my hole
system is against me....
I think in reinstall the full system .... has any one got a better
idea, my backups are unavailable now ....

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Re: [gentoo-user] PANIC !!!!

[Hemmann, Volker Armin]

On Friday 21 October 2005 21:11, Allan Spagnol Comar wrote:
> My hole linux box has crashed !!!!
> I made a system update yesterday with emerge -Du world....
>
> it update my apache, mantis, nagios, bind, mysql..... today my hole
> system is against me....
> I think in reinstall the full system .... has any one got a better
> idea, my backups are unavailable now ....

what do you mean 'crashed'?

does revdep-rebuilt still works?

but at least now you know why you should not use --deep.
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Re: [gentoo-user] PANIC !!!!

[Peter Gordon]

Allan Spagnol Comar said:
> My hole linux box has crashed !!!!
> I made a system update yesterday with emerge -Du world....
>
> it update my apache, mantis, nagios, bind, mysql..... today my hole
> system is against me....
> I think in reinstall the full system .... has any one got a better
> idea, my backups are unavailable now ....

Perhaps if you can tell us more about what you did, what got updated,
what went wrong, what was supposed to happen, etc., we could figure out
how to fix it.

--Peter

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Re: [gentoo-user] PANIC !!!!

[Michael Crute]

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On 10/21/05, Allan Spagnol Comar <allan.comar@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> My hole linux box has crashed !!!!
> I made a system update yesterday with emerge -Du world....
>
> it update my apache, mantis, nagios, bind, mysql..... today my hole
> system is against me....
> I think in reinstall the full system .... has any one got a better
> idea, my backups are unavailable now ....
>

What exactly is wrong? "My whole system is against me" doesn't give people
too much to go on. Does it boot? Are services not starting? What software
versions are you running? What specific error codes are you getting?

-Mike

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Re: [gentoo-user] PANIC !!!!

[Daniel da Veiga]

On 10/21/05, Allan Spagnol Comar <allan.comar@gmail.com> wrote:
> My hole linux box has crashed !!!!
> I made a system update yesterday with emerge -Du world....

That is as informative as my girlfriend saying "If you don't know why
am I mad, it won't be me telling you".

> it update my apache, mantis, nagios, bind, mysql..... today my hole
> system is against me....

You must tell us exactly WHAT is going on, are your bootloader up?
What about the kernel, it initiates or not? The errors or whatever is
troubling you come before or after init? Services? Login?

> I think in reinstall the full system .... has any one got a better
> idea, my backups are unavailable now ....
>

Always the last resort, never used it with Gentoo...

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Re: [gentoo-user] PANIC !!!!

[Roy Wright]

Boot off of LiveCD, chroot, start repairing...

When I've hosed my system, I go back to the Gentoo Handbook:

  http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml

to get into the chroot.

Then look in the logs (/var/log/*) for hints...

Always a good idea to dispatch-conf, revdep-rebuild, revdep-rebuild.

So far I haven't hosed it bad enough to need a reinstall...

MySQL upgrade was painful, but the upgrade guide given
in the einfo worked perfectly (THANK YOU Doc Team!).

HTH,
Roy

Allan Spagnol Comar wrote:

>My hole linux box has crashed !!!!
>I made a system update yesterday with emerge -Du world....
>
>it update my apache, mantis, nagios, bind, mysql..... today my hole
>system is against me....
>I think in reinstall the full system .... has any one got a better
>idea, my backups are unavailable now ....
>
>  
>
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Re: [gentoo-user] PANIC !!!!

[Allan Spagnol Comar]

ok,

apache, mysql, nagios are seams to be running ok now.
mantis - cannot autenticate users.
bind - isn´t working, when i run nslookup it got connection refused

:(

revdeprebuild has fixed mysql .....


On 10/21/05, Peter Gordon <admin@ramshacklestudios.com> wrote:
> Allan Spagnol Comar said:
> > My hole linux box has crashed !!!!
> > I made a system update yesterday with emerge -Du world....
> >
> > it update my apache, mantis, nagios, bind, mysql..... today my hole
> > system is against me....
> > I think in reinstall the full system .... has any one got a better
> > idea, my backups are unavailable now ....
>
> Perhaps if you can tell us more about what you did, what got updated,
> what went wrong, what was supposed to happen, etc., we could figure out
> how to fix it.
>
> --Peter
>
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>
>

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Re: [gentoo-user] PANIC !!!!

[Allan Spagnol Comar]

sorry for the lack of details, I got stunned by the upgrade .... I had
done it a lot before and never got such impact....

one of my biggest problem now is the bind..... it runs but isn´t
enabled to anyone ...


On 10/21/05, Allan Spagnol Comar <allan.comar@gmail.com> wrote:
> ok,
>
> apache, mysql, nagios are seams to be running ok now.
> mantis - cannot autenticate users.
> bind - isn´t working, when i run nslookup it got connection refused
>
> :(
>
> revdeprebuild has fixed mysql .....
>
>
> On 10/21/05, Peter Gordon <admin@ramshacklestudios.com> wrote:
> > Allan Spagnol Comar said:
> > > My hole linux box has crashed !!!!
> > > I made a system update yesterday with emerge -Du world....
> > >
> > > it update my apache, mantis, nagios, bind, mysql..... today my hole
> > > system is against me....
> > > I think in reinstall the full system .... has any one got a better
> > > idea, my backups are unavailable now ....
> >
> > Perhaps if you can tell us more about what you did, what got updated,
> > what went wrong, what was supposed to happen, etc., we could figure out
> > how to fix it.
> >
> > --Peter
> >
> > --
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> >
> >
>

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Re: [gentoo-user] PANIC !!!!

[Allan Spagnol Comar]

One more info, udev had crashed and I have to downgrade from 7.0 to
6.8-r1 to get the system to boot

On 10/21/05, Allan Spagnol Comar <allan.comar@gmail.com> wrote:
> sorry for the lack of details, I got stunned by the upgrade .... I had
> done it a lot before and never got such impact....
>
> one of my biggest problem now is the bind..... it runs but isn´t
> enabled to anyone ...
>
>
> On 10/21/05, Allan Spagnol Comar <allan.comar@gmail.com> wrote:
> > ok,
> >
> > apache, mysql, nagios are seams to be running ok now.
> > mantis - cannot autenticate users.
> > bind - isn´t working, when i run nslookup it got connection refused
> >
> > :(
> >
> > revdeprebuild has fixed mysql .....
> >
> >
> > On 10/21/05, Peter Gordon <admin@ramshacklestudios.com> wrote:
> > > Allan Spagnol Comar said:
> > > > My hole linux box has crashed !!!!
> > > > I made a system update yesterday with emerge -Du world....
> > > >
> > > > it update my apache, mantis, nagios, bind, mysql..... today my hole
> > > > system is against me....
> > > > I think in reinstall the full system .... has any one got a better
> > > > idea, my backups are unavailable now ....
> > >
> > > Perhaps if you can tell us more about what you did, what got updated,
> > > what went wrong, what was supposed to happen, etc., we could figure out
> > > how to fix it.
> > >
> > > --Peter
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> >
>

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Re: [gentoo-user] PANIC !!!!

[Allan Spagnol Comar]

true, doc team help with mysql upgrade.

On 10/21/05, Roy Wright <royw@cisco.com> wrote:
> Boot off of LiveCD, chroot, start repairing...
>
> When I've hosed my system, I go back to the Gentoo Handbook:
>
>   http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml
>
> to get into the chroot.
>
> Then look in the logs (/var/log/*) for hints...
>
> Always a good idea to dispatch-conf, revdep-rebuild, revdep-rebuild.
>
> So far I haven't hosed it bad enough to need a reinstall...
>
> MySQL upgrade was painful, but the upgrade guide given
> in the einfo worked perfectly (THANK YOU Doc Team!).
>
> HTH,
> Roy
>
> Allan Spagnol Comar wrote:
>
> >My hole linux box has crashed !!!!
> >I made a system update yesterday with emerge -Du world....
> >
> >it update my apache, mantis, nagios, bind, mysql..... today my hole
> >system is against me....
> >I think in reinstall the full system .... has any one got a better
> >idea, my backups are unavailable now ....
> >
> >
> >
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>
>

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Re: [gentoo-user] PANIC !!!!

[Dave Nebinger]

> MySQL upgrade was painful, but the upgrade guide given
> in the einfo worked perfectly (THANK YOU Doc Team!).

Not so painless on my end...

Revdep-rebuild failed to identify that postfix and dspam were (somehow)
linked against missing mysql 4 libs.  Had to re-emerge them manually
(after realizing that the mail server was not receiving mail most of the
day), but after that things seem to be fine wrt the latest batch of
updates.


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Re: [gentoo-user] PANIC !!!!

[Allan Spagnol Comar]

Got my named to work. problem on listen-on .... removed now it works

On 10/21/05, Allan Spagnol Comar <allan.comar@gmail.com> wrote:
> true, doc team help with mysql upgrade.
>
> On 10/21/05, Roy Wright <royw@cisco.com> wrote:
> > Boot off of LiveCD, chroot, start repairing...
> >
> > When I've hosed my system, I go back to the Gentoo Handbook:
> >
> >   http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml
> >
> > to get into the chroot.
> >
> > Then look in the logs (/var/log/*) for hints...
> >
> > Always a good idea to dispatch-conf, revdep-rebuild, revdep-rebuild.
> >
> > So far I haven't hosed it bad enough to need a reinstall...
> >
> > MySQL upgrade was painful, but the upgrade guide given
> > in the einfo worked perfectly (THANK YOU Doc Team!).
> >
> > HTH,
> > Roy
> >
> > Allan Spagnol Comar wrote:
> >
> > >My hole linux box has crashed !!!!
> > >I made a system update yesterday with emerge -Du world....
> > >
> > >it update my apache, mantis, nagios, bind, mysql..... today my hole
> > >system is against me....
> > >I think in reinstall the full system .... has any one got a better
> > >idea, my backups are unavailable now ....
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> >
> >
>

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Re: [gentoo-user] PANIC !!!!

[Allan Spagnol Comar]

mantis now :(

when I try to log I got this error:

APPLICATION ERROR #401

Database query failed. Error received from database was #1054: Unknown
column 'lost_password_in_progress_count' in 'field list' for the
query: UPDATE mantis_user_table
SET lost_password_in_progress_count=0
WHERE id='3'


any ideas ?

On 10/21/05, Dave Nebinger <dnebinger@joat.com> wrote:
> > MySQL upgrade was painful, but the upgrade guide given
> > in the einfo worked perfectly (THANK YOU Doc Team!).
>
> Not so painless on my end...
>
> Revdep-rebuild failed to identify that postfix and dspam were (somehow)
> linked against missing mysql 4 libs.  Had to re-emerge them manually
> (after realizing that the mail server was not receiving mail most of the
> day), but after that things seem to be fine wrt the latest batch of
> updates.
>
>
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>
>

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Re: [gentoo-user] PANIC !!!!

[Jeff Smelser]

On Friday 21 October 2005 02:24 pm, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:

> what do you mean 'crashed'?
>
> does revdep-rebuilt still works?
>
> but at least now you know why you should not use --deep.

Why not? I use it here and I never get crashes.. One doesnt mean the other.

Jeff
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Re: [gentoo-user] PANIC !!!!

[Allan Spagnol Comar]

sorry by the way I put it Jeff.... I got to angry when All my services
stop working after an ( what should be simple ) update .....

this update had stop all services I got on this box, that was an web
server for nagios and mantis, and dns server for private net .... the
database to nagios and mantis...

the first thing was the udev that stop working and I could not boot my
machine, it got a sgmentation fault at boot... got my gentoo install
disk and downgrade udev it got back to work.

then after some fight and gentoo doc I got mysql back. after that was
apache time, all configuration has changed and I got to go as crasy to
find where it was...

if isn´t that enough the named service was running and not responding ....

this was really a tought upgrade .... ( snip ) sorry again to pass
information incomplete to the list and overreact but I was trully in
panic after 2 hours trying to got the system back.


On 10/21/05, Jeff Smelser <tradergt@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday 21 October 2005 02:24 pm, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
>
> > what do you mean 'crashed'?
> >
> > does revdep-rebuilt still works?
> >
> > but at least now you know why you should not use --deep.
>
> Why not? I use it here and I never get crashes.. One doesnt mean the other.
>
> Jeff
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>
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Re: [gentoo-user] PANIC !!!!

[Jeff Smelser]

On Friday 21 October 2005 03:30 pm, Allan Spagnol Comar wrote:
> sorry by the way I put it Jeff.... I got to angry when All my services
> stop working after an ( what should be simple ) update .....

Actually, I wasn't referring to your email, I was referring to Hemmann's.

Jeff
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Re: [gentoo-user] PANIC !!!!

[Dmitry S. Makovey]

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On October 21, 2005 02:30 pm, Allan Spagnol Comar wrote:
> sorry by the way I put it Jeff.... I got to angry when All my
> services stop working after an ( what should be simple ) update
> .....

Allan ,don't get me wrong - I"m not trying to "pin" you, I just want 
to point out that computers and software tend to fail, so whenever 
you're updating/upgrading one or the other you *have to* have backup 
plan. In most scenarios having production machine means that you 
*have to* have development machine working in parallel (ideally 
identical to production machine in all respects) - any changes to 
production machine should be tried/tested on development machine 
first. Being sysadmin for about 7 years now I know that things do 
happen and you have to be ready/prepeared for everything. 

Another point is to go with the "lowest resistance" path - update only 
GLSA's and do full-blown upgrades only when you plan them carefully 
and test'em out on development box.

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Re: [gentoo-user] PANIC !!!!

[Hemmann, Volker Armin]

On Friday 21 October 2005 22:13, Jeff Smelser wrote:
> On Friday 21 October 2005 02:24 pm, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
> > what do you mean 'crashed'?
> >
> > does revdep-rebuilt still works?
> >
> > but at least now you know why you should not use --deep.
>
> Why not? I use it here and I never get crashes.. One doesnt mean the other.
>

because some apps (like, for example xine) doesn't like it, when some of their 
dependencies get upgraded with a --deep world (like ffmpeg or transcode), 
while themselves are not recombiled.

xine will not crash - but some video-filters will be gone.

It is just not wise:
App X linked against library L.
Now you do an --update --deep world.
lib L gets a new version L.1.1.
But X does not recompiled, and funny things can happen now.

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Re: [gentoo-user] PANIC !!!!

[Richard Fish]

Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:

>On Friday 21 October 2005 22:13, Jeff Smelser wrote:
>  
>
>>On Friday 21 October 2005 02:24 pm, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>what do you mean 'crashed'?
>>>
>>>does revdep-rebuilt still works?
>>>
>>>but at least now you know why you should not use --deep.
>>>      
>>>
>>Why not? I use it here and I never get crashes.. One doesnt mean the other.
>>
>>    
>>
>
>because some apps (like, for example xine) doesn't like it, when some of their 
>dependencies get upgraded with a --deep world (like ffmpeg or transcode), 
>while themselves are not recombiled.
>
>xine will not crash - but some video-filters will be gone.
>
>It is just not wise:
>App X linked against library L.
>Now you do an --update --deep world.
>lib L gets a new version L.1.1.
>But X does not recompiled, and funny things can happen now.
>  
>

revdep-rebuild

-Richard

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Re: [gentoo-user] PANIC !!!!

[Hemmann, Volker Armin]

On Saturday 22 October 2005 02:10, Richard Fish wrote:
> Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
> >On Friday 21 October 2005 22:13, Jeff Smelser wrote:
> >>On Friday 21 October 2005 02:24 pm, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
> >>>what do you mean 'crashed'?
> >>>
> >>>does revdep-rebuilt still works?
> >>>
> >>>but at least now you know why you should not use --deep.
> >>
> >>Why not? I use it here and I never get crashes.. One doesnt mean the
> >> other.
> >
> >because some apps (like, for example xine) doesn't like it, when some of
> > their dependencies get upgraded with a --deep world (like ffmpeg or
> > transcode), while themselves are not recombiled.
> >
> >xine will not crash - but some video-filters will be gone.
> >
> >It is just not wise:
> >App X linked against library L.
> >Now you do an --update --deep world.
> >lib L gets a new version L.1.1.
> >But X does not recompiled, and funny things can happen now.
>
> revdep-rebuild

which a) does not catch all the cases
and b) would not be needed at all, if you don't do '--deep' updates.
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Re: [gentoo-user] PANIC !!!!

[Rafael Fernández López]

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>>My hole linux box has crashed !!!!
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>>
>>it update my apache, mantis, nagios, bind, mysql..... today my hole
>>system is against me....
>>I think in reinstall the full system .... has any one got a better
>>idea, my backups are unavailable now ....
> 
> 
> what do you mean 'crashed'?
> 
> does revdep-rebuilt still works?
> 
> but at least now you know why you should not use --deep.

Deep is almost imprescindible when upgrading. You have to upgrade
dependencies too, or maybe your new and fresh app is built onto old
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Re: [gentoo-user] PANIC !!!!

[Jeff Smelser]

On Friday 21 October 2005 07:21 pm, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:

> which a) does not catch all the cases
> and b) would not be needed at all, if you don't do '--deep' updates.

Your trolling, arnt you? Are you really so naive that you think not having 
--deep solves all your problems? You do realize what --deep does right?

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Re: [gentoo-user] PANIC !!!!

[Michael Crute]

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On 10/21/05, Allan Spagnol Comar <allan.comar@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> then after some fight and gentoo doc I got mysql back. after that was
> apache time, all configuration has changed and I got to go as crasy to
> find where it was...
>

Which is why you should ALWAYS have a backup of /etc. Just incase. I have a
con job that tars up /etc and puts it in root's home every few days and it
has saved my butt quite a few times.

And as somebody else said let this be a good (albeit tough) lesson that you
should never run updates on a production server that you haven't tested on
at least a development box.

-Mike

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Re: [gentoo-user] PANIC !!!!

[Michael Crute]

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On 10/21/05, Jeff Smelser <tradergt@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Friday 21 October 2005 07:21 pm, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
>
> > which a) does not catch all the cases
> > and b) would not be needed at all, if you don't do '--deep' updates.
>
> Your trolling, arnt you? Are you really so naive that you think not having
> --deep solves all your problems? You do realize what --deep does right
>

<sarcasm>
Nothing important, just updates all your dependencies. Who needs up to date
dependencies. Hell dependencies in and of themselves are overrated, I don't
use them at all.
</sarcasm>

Sorry, couldn't resist.

-Mike
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Re: [gentoo-user] PANIC !!!!

[Hemmann, Volker Armin]

On Saturday 22 October 2005 03:20, Jeff Smelser wrote:
> On Friday 21 October 2005 07:21 pm, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
> > which a) does not catch all the cases
> > and b) would not be needed at all, if you don't do '--deep' updates.
>
> Your trolling, arnt you? Are you really so naive that you think not having
> --deep solves all your problems? You do realize what --deep does right?
>
> Jeff


I do.

You don't. 

Maybe you should re-read the documentation.
Than think about 'compile time dependency', 'runtime dependency' and 
'Version'.

I wish you good luck.


Oh,

and I never said, that it 'solves all problems'.
I say, not doing it, is keeping you away from certain problems.

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Re: [gentoo-user] PANIC !!!!

[Hemmann, Volker Armin]

On Saturday 22 October 2005 02:37, Rafael Fernández López wrote:
> Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
> > On Friday 21 October 2005 21:11, Allan Spagnol Comar wrote:
> >>My hole linux box has crashed !!!!
> >>I made a system update yesterday with emerge -Du world....
> >>
> >>it update my apache, mantis, nagios, bind, mysql..... today my hole
> >>system is against me....
> >>I think in reinstall the full system .... has any one got a better
> >>idea, my backups are unavailable now ....
> >
> > what do you mean 'crashed'?
> >
> > does revdep-rebuilt still works?
> >
> > but at least now you know why you should not use --deep.
>
> Deep is almost imprescindible when upgrading. You have to upgrade
> dependencies too, or maybe your new and fresh app is built onto old
> libraries that can make it crash, or just going slower.

--deep is totally superflous.
When something needs the latest libs, it will pull them in anyway.
So there is no need to install the latest version. Nobody said, that the 
latest are always the fastest too. 

When nothing needs the latest stuff, why change the dependency of maybe 
douzends of apps, only to have the latest version?

A lot of times, this breaks stuff. Or does thinks make slower. Or make some 
apps crashy&instabil.
Some apps even need a very small spectrum of versions - any change in the 
libs, and boom, you have a memory-leaking crashy hog. Or at least something 
that does not work like it should (like xine or mplayer, when you update 
ffmpeg and transcode behind their backs).

--deep does not solve problems, it generates them.

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Re: [gentoo-user] PANIC !!!!

[Patrick Börjesson]

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On 05/10/22 00:45, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
> On Friday 21 October 2005 22:13, Jeff Smelser wrote:
> > On Friday 21 October 2005 02:24 pm, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
> > > but at least now you know why you should not use --deep.
> >
> > Why not? I use it here and I never get crashes.. One doesnt mean the other.
> >
> 
> because some apps (like, for example xine) doesn't like it, when some of their 
> dependencies get upgraded with a --deep world (like ffmpeg or transcode), 
> while themselves are not recombiled.
> 
> xine will not crash - but some video-filters will be gone.
> 
> It is just not wise:
> App X linked against library L.
> Now you do an --update --deep world.
> lib L gets a new version L.1.1.
> But X does not recompiled, and funny things can happen now.

This reasoning is pretty much void when dealing with libraries, since
there's often more than one application depending on a particular
library. 

Example:
App A and app B link agains library L.
Run an 'emerge -u A' and app A, and library L gets upgraded.
App B is fucked in the same way as you having run an 'emerge -deep
world', since B is not recompiled but its dependency is.

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Re: [gentoo-user] PANIC !!!!

[brullo nulla]

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>
> > because some apps (like, for example xine) doesn't like it, when some of
> their
> > dependencies get upgraded with a --deep world (like ffmpeg or
> transcode),
> > while themselves are not recombiled.
> >
> > xine will not crash - but some video-filters will be gone.



Whoa. Now I know why my mplayer cannot read mpgs anymore. Thank you guys.
Anyway, I recompiled it a couple of days ago with a bunch of new use flags,
so I hope it will be fixed now.

 But it was the only problem I ever had with emerge -Du world. If I can have
a new lib that will fix bugs or improve something, I want it. I won't bother
recompiling some app that will complain, if needed. But of course I'm
talking of my desktop system, I think I would have a very different approach
for a production system.

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Re: [gentoo-user] PANIC !!!!

[Eddie Mihalow Jr]

Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
> On Saturday 22 October 2005 02:37, Rafael Fernández López wrote:
> 
>>Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
>>
>>>On Friday 21 October 2005 21:11, Allan Spagnol Comar wrote:
>>>
>>>>My hole linux box has crashed !!!!
>>>>I made a system update yesterday with emerge -Du world....
>>>>
>>>>it update my apache, mantis, nagios, bind, mysql..... today my hole
>>>>system is against me....
>>>>I think in reinstall the full system .... has any one got a better
>>>>idea, my backups are unavailable now ....
>>>
>>>what do you mean 'crashed'?
>>>
>>>does revdep-rebuilt still works?
>>>
>>>but at least now you know why you should not use --deep.
>>
>>Deep is almost imprescindible when upgrading. You have to upgrade
>>dependencies too, or maybe your new and fresh app is built onto old
>>libraries that can make it crash, or just going slower.
> 
> 
> --deep is totally superflous.
> When something needs the latest libs, it will pull them in anyway.
> So there is no need to install the latest version. Nobody said, that the 
> latest are always the fastest too. 
> 
> When nothing needs the latest stuff, why change the dependency of maybe 
> douzends of apps, only to have the latest version?
> 
> A lot of times, this breaks stuff. Or does thinks make slower. Or make some 
> apps crashy&instabil.
> Some apps even need a very small spectrum of versions - any change in the 
> libs, and boom, you have a memory-leaking crashy hog. Or at least something 
> that does not work like it should (like xine or mplayer, when you update 
> ffmpeg and transcode behind their backs).
> 
> --deep does not solve problems, it generates them.
> 
Sorry, but I don't agree with this. I use -deep every day and have yet 
to have any of
these so-called problems Mr. Volker is espousing. I have mplayer and 
xine and they both work fine.
I wonder how you came to this conclusion-was it direct experience, or 
just banal thinking?
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> One more info, udev had crashed and I have to downgrade from 7.0 to
> 6.8-r1 to get the system to boot

A. You're top posting

B. yeah, udev-070 is bad. Use udev-070-r1...

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Re: [gentoo-user] PANIC !!!!

[Hemmann, Volker Armin]

On Saturday 22 October 2005 14:26, Eddie Mihalow Jr wrote:
> Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
> > On Saturday 22 October 2005 02:37, Rafael Fernández López wrote:
> >>Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
> >>>On Friday 21 October 2005 21:11, Allan Spagnol Comar wrote:
> >>>>My hole linux box has crashed !!!!
> >>>>I made a system update yesterday with emerge -Du world....
> >>>>
> >>>>it update my apache, mantis, nagios, bind, mysql..... today my hole
> >>>>system is against me....
> >>>>I think in reinstall the full system .... has any one got a better
> >>>>idea, my backups are unavailable now ....
> >>>
> >>>what do you mean 'crashed'?
> >>>
> >>>does revdep-rebuilt still works?
> >>>
> >>>but at least now you know why you should not use --deep.
> >>
> >>Deep is almost imprescindible when upgrading. You have to upgrade
> >>dependencies too, or maybe your new and fresh app is built onto old
> >>libraries that can make it crash, or just going slower.
> >
> > --deep is totally superflous.
> > When something needs the latest libs, it will pull them in anyway.
> > So there is no need to install the latest version. Nobody said, that the
> > latest are always the fastest too.
> >
> > When nothing needs the latest stuff, why change the dependency of maybe
> > douzends of apps, only to have the latest version?
> >
> > A lot of times, this breaks stuff. Or does thinks make slower. Or make
> > some apps crashy&instabil.
> > Some apps even need a very small spectrum of versions - any change in the
> > libs, and boom, you have a memory-leaking crashy hog. Or at least
> > something that does not work like it should (like xine or mplayer, when
> > you update ffmpeg and transcode behind their backs).
> >
> > --deep does not solve problems, it generates them.
>
> Sorry, but I don't agree with this. I use -deep every day and have yet
> to have any of
> these so-called problems Mr. Volker is espousing. I have mplayer and
> xine and they both work fine.
> I wonder how you came to this conclusion-was it direct experience, or
> just banal thinking?
> Regards,

direct experience.
I have seen xine and mplayer break multiple times or KDE loosing its themes, 
because of qt updates or wesnoth. And that are the ones I remember without to 
much brain work.
That is why I am healed from --deep updates

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Re: [gentoo-user] PANIC !!!!

[Holly Bostick]

Hemmann, Volker Armin schreef:
> direct experience. I have seen xine and mplayer break multiple times 
> or KDE loosing its themes,

Yeah, but mplayer breaks if your breathe on it too hard, and Xine is not
all that much better (though better than gstreamer, and overall the best
in terms of stability).

New releases of KDE often are so buggy that you 1) *have* to upgrade
whatever is available to get the bugfixes and 2) can't really be certain
that any breakage is related to library updates (or worse yet, only
*partial* library updates, not all relevant libraries, because all
relevant libraries don't necessarily have updates available at the same
time), rather than just one of the bugs.

'Loosing its themes' I've never seen (but then again I try to avoid
using KDE as much as possible), but of all the things that KDE might
(and has, in my experience) lose after a full, partial, or deep upgrade,
"themes" are about the last on my "oh, no, I'm now hysterical" list. But
that's just me.

> because of qt updates or wesnoth. And that are the ones I remember 
> without to much brain work. That is why I am healed from --deep 
> updates

OK. It's your box.

In my opinion, it's impossible to avoid stuff breaking (on a
Gentoo/source-based distro) box; libraries and applications depending on
those libraries are *going* to be mis-matched at some point or another,
sometimes quite often. It's usually temporary, and usually easy to fix:
recompile the app against the  updated library, as I did yesterday for
Beagle, or run <name_your_language>.updater-- I just found there's an
ocaml-updater script; who knew? or run the config utility for gcc, or
java or whatever is the problem today. Or switch apps, which is a
little-thought-of but often quite effective solution. Helps to be a bit
flexible, though, of course, which everybody does not have the liberty
to be. But if not, then just stick with stable and don't upgrade at all,
--deep or otherwise.

Holly


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Re: [gentoo-user] PANIC !!!!

[Allan Spagnol Comar]

thank you all guys !!!
I understand now the complex resons to always have backups and test servers ;;;;
I am sorry to make such a mess at the list, it wasn´t my intantion,
thank one more time for the attention that was spend on my trouble. I
promise that in the next time I will make some more relevant posts.


On 10/22/05, Holly Bostick <motub@planet.nl> wrote:
> Hemmann, Volker Armin schreef:
> > direct experience. I have seen xine and mplayer break multiple times
> > or KDE loosing its themes,
>
> Yeah, but mplayer breaks if your breathe on it too hard, and Xine is not
> all that much better (though better than gstreamer, and overall the best
> in terms of stability).
>
> New releases of KDE often are so buggy that you 1) *have* to upgrade
> whatever is available to get the bugfixes and 2) can't really be certain
> that any breakage is related to library updates (or worse yet, only
> *partial* library updates, not all relevant libraries, because all
> relevant libraries don't necessarily have updates available at the same
> time), rather than just one of the bugs.
>
> 'Loosing its themes' I've never seen (but then again I try to avoid
> using KDE as much as possible), but of all the things that KDE might
> (and has, in my experience) lose after a full, partial, or deep upgrade,
> "themes" are about the last on my "oh, no, I'm now hysterical" list. But
> that's just me.
>
> > because of qt updates or wesnoth. And that are the ones I remember
> > without to much brain work. That is why I am healed from --deep
> > updates
>
> OK. It's your box.
>
> In my opinion, it's impossible to avoid stuff breaking (on a
> Gentoo/source-based distro) box; libraries and applications depending on
> those libraries are *going* to be mis-matched at some point or another,
> sometimes quite often. It's usually temporary, and usually easy to fix:
> recompile the app against the  updated library, as I did yesterday for
> Beagle, or run <name_your_language>.updater-- I just found there's an
> ocaml-updater script; who knew? or run the config utility for gcc, or
> java or whatever is the problem today. Or switch apps, which is a
> little-thought-of but often quite effective solution. Helps to be a bit
> flexible, though, of course, which everybody does not have the liberty
> to be. But if not, then just stick with stable and don't upgrade at all,
> --deep or otherwise.
>
> Holly
>
>
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Re: [gentoo-user] PANIC !!!!

[Rumen Yotov]

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On Sat, 2005-10-22 at 14:01 -0200, Allan Spagnol Comar wrote:
> thank you all guys !!!
> I understand now the complex resons to always have backups and test servers ;;;;
> I am sorry to make such a mess at the list, it wasn´t my intantion,
> thank one more time for the attention that was spend on my trouble. I
> promise that in the next time I will make some more relevant posts.
> 
Hi,
A little OT here but i as am playing with Xen (virtualisation software),
think it might be used for testing before big upgrades are done
(specially on servers/important machines).
PS: no need for second machine, just another partition with the same
software incl. versions (a thought here: why not use rsync to update
this partition instead of again emerging the packages).
And please don't top-post, unofficial rule.
HTH.Rumen
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[gentoo-user] PANIC !!!!

[Keats]

On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 16:11:06 -0300
Allan Spagnol Comar <allan.comar@gmail.com> wrote:

> My hole linux box has crashed !!!!
> I made a system update yesterday with emerge -Du world....
> 
> it update my apache, mantis, nagios, bind, mysql..... today my hole
> system is against me....
> I think in reinstall the full system .... has any one got a better
> idea, my backups are unavailable now ....


are u sure that you have enough disk space ? 
an update of the system may download a lot of files... 
it happens when i have no space left, nothing work the gentoo is not
able to boot. i have to boot on rescue disk and make space... 

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Re: [gentoo-user] PANIC !!!!

[Petteri Räty]

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Keats wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 16:11:06 -0300
> Allan Spagnol Comar <allan.comar@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>>My hole linux box has crashed !!!!
>>I made a system update yesterday with emerge -Du world....
>>
>>it update my apache, mantis, nagios, bind, mysql..... today my hole
>>system is against me....
>>I think in reinstall the full system .... has any one got a better
>>idea, my backups are unavailable now ....
> 
> 
> 
> are u sure that you have enough disk space ? 
> an update of the system may download a lot of files... 
> it happens when i have no space left, nothing work the gentoo is not
> able to boot. i have to boot on rescue disk and make space... 
> 

For this reason I put every directory that can grow during normal
operations outside to root partition so that I can boot although some
partition gets full.

Regards,
Petteri Räty


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Re: [gentoo-user] PANIC !!!!

[Tamas Sarga]

On Sat, 22 Oct 2005, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:

>
> direct experience.
> I have seen xine and mplayer break multiple times or KDE loosing its themes,
> because of qt updates or wesnoth. And that are the ones I remember without to
> much brain work.
> That is why I am healed from --deep updates
>

Hi,

Just a short side-note. If you don't use --deep, than you *should* see
the GLSAs careful, 'cause a library can has security hole and a
rock-solid backdoor is not a good thing.

Cheers,
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