From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E7vzB-0000rg-Be for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 14:12:13 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id j7OEAC1l009368; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 14:10:12 GMT Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.193]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7OE2ucF026642 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 14:02:58 GMT Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id x7so67079nzc for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 07:03:59 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=s6vncdwqlv59UOBDnmETDhzzXhfo6V4wNCxT4sJplTpvshkpj0zZOCIrQ9sRA6m+0QJdFr2IduBzxejhGyKZuWAStMDWiOMhKS4cCIqrt435VKy9ScELb7XU0SOGH6RPdEiD7esbA+IICOntRJYcOY2lvIo2rfk0P2LZEx0Wm1A= Received: by 10.36.60.18 with SMTP id i18mr501848nza; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 07:03:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.7.13 with HTTP; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 07:03:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <558b73fb050824070378013489@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 10:03:59 -0400 From: Michael Crute To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description? In-Reply-To: <20050824110803.GA4532@lugmen.org.ar> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2079_8814469.1124892239609" References: <20050823112654.GA31003@lugmen.org.ar> <20050823224756.667089f1@snowdrop.home> <558b73fb05082320393c29effc@mail.gmail.com> <430C1848.7020609@gmail.com> <430C1B43.9040108@sdf-eu.org> <20050824110803.GA4532@lugmen.org.ar> X-Archives-Salt: a8b94e4b-3d91-4998-84ad-12d81631878e X-Archives-Hash: 7ceb3dae0736bb26d5387e94ca4baae3 ------=_Part_2079_8814469.1124892239609 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline First of all, sorry about top posting that's the way Gmail does it and you= =20 cant change the settings.=20 Also if you are looking for a lazy man's way of getting a package=20 description try `emerge -s packagename` and it prints out a lot of=20 information as well as a short description of the package. I have never see= n=20 a long description such as those used to build Debian packages anywhere in= =20 portage and don't really think it would be useful anyhow. So try emerge -s= =20 and if you need more info go to the packae's website. That would be my=20 advice. Oh, and emerge -s works off the metadata so you dint need an=20 Internet connection. -Mike.=20 On 8/24/05, Fernando Canizo wrote: >=20 > El 24/ago/2005 a las 04:01 -0300, Jonas me dec=EDa: > > >Second, the whole idea is to do this for non-connected systems.=20 > Meaning, a > > >solution not involving the Internet... =3D) > > If you're refering to the fact that the person doesn't have an internet > > connection when he wants to view this information throught the emerge > > interface, then you're wrong. When you want to install or you're just > > searching for a package you're using the emerge interface , when you > > need more info you have to 1) open your browser 2) type in the url (if > > you're lucky you know the url or it's in your browsers cache) 3) search > > for the package on the website , while instead you could just do > > something like emerge --desc package. Now what's quicker and makes more > > sence ? >=20 > Exactly! That's what i'm refering to. It's not an issues of connection=20 > it's an > issue of lazyness! It's like: "-- hey what are you doing this weekend? --= =20 > don't > know, it's cold and raining, i think i'm gonna sit in my throne and check= =20 > what's > new on 'app-vim' to improve my vimyness, if find something interesting=20 > i'll > check the package webpage." >=20 > For now i'm using 'questo': > =3D=3D=3D script =3D=3D=3D=3D > #!/bin/bash > # lun may 2 20:57:24 ART 2005 > # conan - GPLed > # > # script to check for apps on rainy sunday morning >=20 > BASE_DIR=3D"/usr/portage/" >=20 > [ $# -ne 1 ] && echo "Uso: questo " && exit 0 >=20 > cd $BASE_DIR$1 > for package in * ; do > eix "^$paquete\$" > echo "Looking for: $1/$paquete. ENTER to continue..." > read > done > =3D=3D=3D end script =3D=3D=3D=3D >=20 > Now i took sugestion from Ciaran to look in metadata.xml, i check a coupl= e=20 > by > hand and see the 'longdesc' field but... with short descriptions! Now=20 > maybe i > just choose two with bad luck, but i got a feeling that gentoo maintainer= s > doesn't like to provide longdesc, although there is the posibility. >=20 > I was thinking of doing a little script that gives longdesc found in=20 > metadata to > confirm this, but since i don't know nothing about xml, think it gonna=20 > take a > little bit more that if there were already an application to check ' > metadata.xml' > fields. 'emerge', 'equery' and 'eix' wich are the administration tools i= =20 > use > everyday don't say nothing about this, i think all of them use de=20 > description > field in ebuilds. I wonder if somebody knows another app to do this? >=20 > If not, the idea of the script is more less this: > lslongdesc package|category|all >=20 > where: > - 'package' gives longdesc of package > - 'category' gives longdesc of all packages in category > - and 'all' gives them all flooding your screen with info you never gonna= =20 > eat... > but that is there. >=20 > It's so simple that i'm sure there must be an app (or compound of them)= =20 > that > already do this. >=20 > -- > Fernando Canizo - http://www.lugmen.org.ar/~conan/ > Olmstead's Law: > After all is said and done, a hell of a lot more is said than done. > -- > gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list >=20 >=20 --=20 ________________________________ Michael E. Crute Software Developer SoftGroup Development Corporation Linux, because reboots are for installing hardware. "In a world without walls and fences, who needs windows and gates?" ------=_Part_2079_8814469.1124892239609 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline First of all, sorry about top posting that's the way Gmail does it and you = cant change the settings.

Also if you are looking for a lazy man's way of getting a package description try `emerge -s packagename` and it prints out a lot of information as well as a short description of the package. I have never seen a long description such as those used to build Debian packages anywhere in portage and don't really think it would be useful anyhow. So try emerge -s and if you need more info go to the packae's website. That would be my advice. Oh, and emerge -s works off the metadata so you dint need an Internet connection.

-Mike.

On 8/24/05, Fernando Canizo <conan@lugmen.org.ar> wrote:
El 24/ago/2005 a las 04:01 -0300, Jonas me dec=EDa:
> >Second, the= whole idea is to do this for non-connected systems. Meaning, a
> >= ;solution not involving the Internet... =3D)
> If you're refering to = the fact that the person doesn't have an internet
> connection when he wants to view this information throught the eme= rge
> interface, then you're wrong. When you want to install or you'r= e just
> searching for a package you're using the emerge interface , = when you
> need more info you have to 1) open your browser 2) type in the url= (if
> you're lucky you know the url or it's in your browsers cache) = 3) search
> for the package on the website , while instead you could = just do
> something like emerge --desc package. Now what's quicker and makes= more
> sence ?

Exactly! That's what i'm refering to. It's not= an issues of connection it's an
issue of lazyness! It's like: "-- = hey what are you doing this weekend? -- don't
know, it's cold and raining, i think i'm gonna sit in my throne and che= ck what's
new on 'app-vim' to improve my vimyness, if find something int= eresting i'll
check the package webpage."

For now i'm using = 'questo':
=3D=3D=3D script =3D=3D=3D=3D
#!/bin/bash
# lun may  2 = 20:57:24 ART 2005
# conan - GPLed
#
# script to check for apps on = rainy sunday morning

BASE_DIR=3D"/usr/portage/"

[ $= # -ne 1 ] && echo "Uso: questo <category>" &&am= p; exit 0

cd $BASE_DIR$1
for package in * ; do
    =     eix "^$paquete\$"
   &n= bsp;    echo "Looking for: $1/$paquete. ENTER to c= ontinue..."
        readdone
=3D=3D=3D end script =3D=3D=3D=3D

Now i took sugestion from= Ciaran to look in=20 metadata.xml, i check a couple by
hand and see the 'longdesc' field but.= .. with short descriptions! Now maybe i
just choose two with bad luck, b= ut i got a feeling that gentoo maintainers
doesn't like to provide longd= esc, although there is the posibility.

I was thinking of doing a little script that gives longdesc found i= n metadata to
confirm this, but since i don't know nothing about xml, th= ink it gonna take a
little bit more that if there were already an applic= ation to check ' metadata.xml'
fields. 'emerge', 'equery' and 'eix' wich are the administ= ration tools i use
everyday don't say nothing about this, i think all of= them use de description
field in ebuilds. I wonder if somebody knows an= other app to do this?

If not, the idea of the script is more less this:
lslongdesc pac= kage|category|all

where:
- 'package' gives longdesc of package- 'category' gives longdesc of all packages in category
- and 'all' giv= es them all flooding your screen with info you never gonna eat...
  but that is there.

It's so simple that i'm sure ther= e must be an app (or compound of them) that
already do this.

--Fernando Canizo - http://www= .lugmen.org.ar/~conan/
Olmstead's Law:
        = After all is said and done, a hell of a lot more is said than done.
--gentoo-user@gentoo.org mail= ing list




--
________________________________
Michael E.= Crute
Software Developer
SoftGroup Development Corporation

Li= nux, because reboots are for installing hardware.
"In a world witho= ut walls and fences, who needs windows and gates?" ------=_Part_2079_8814469.1124892239609-- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list