From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: <gentoo-user+bounces-165026-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@lists.gentoo.org> Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0872A138CEE for <garchives@archives.gentoo.org>; Thu, 25 Jun 2015 08:09:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4E36CE08AC; Thu, 25 Jun 2015 08:09:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wg0-f48.google.com (mail-wg0-f48.google.com [74.125.82.48]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 99ED1E087A for <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>; Thu, 25 Jun 2015 08:09:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wgck11 with SMTP id k11so55586209wgc.0 for <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>; Thu, 25 Jun 2015 01:09:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=RjnLdII8q7d8sss7Z64hWj03alCKS/ey3UdOEM3hUiA=; b=Syhb21N5g395FSGc6RpGmpVIiE/8pmjmHSt/JPOnIX4kJyi2hLsK8f+G/6e4suGlaz YXIGMLdnCKa0Twei61dpiYBIW5jpxAA8cpFA45ET2vlI1fvGEmeMRkwUJ5UD6mbWS5ni a0DPygauPrFHVKE2Sq/l955giKM2T5qY15S0Vw4xSiigNvPXOe7mzOPwHQNoOrAG98QM 1WYOH24U1R/4CXn34cVPSkK7PGspk1srzpmKtst7Rkud0ZdYw5aQ1PC9QL3uhwLS+U12 4BZlIJcdJSGmkzq7UTHeTZHd2EC7MX+ob5JvmKcMwrYGmZj6XQYR23d8ra6+wed4QzQD CM7g== X-Received: by 10.180.98.134 with SMTP id ei6mr3248840wib.49.1435219751463; Thu, 25 Jun 2015 01:09:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.20.0.41] (105-237-183-213.access.mtnbusiness.co.za. [105.237.183.213]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id i6sm44495875wjf.29.2015.06.25.01.09.09 for <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org> (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 25 Jun 2015 01:09:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] necessary use flgas To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org References: <CAO5-k+ojMQ5Z5kzoXPVCsNM=ke66PWugfkqR4bw1-jZ9GXN1vg@mail.gmail.com> <558A90E4.2090905@gmail.com> <20150624115007.GA1427@greenbeast> From: Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Message-ID: <558BB724.3020303@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 10:09:08 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.0.1 Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-user+help@lists.gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-user.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20150624115007.GA1427@greenbeast> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 80cf0f1d-a023-4d7e-9524-b447a4031834 X-Archives-Hash: fe7b856cfe82079782584e4b92714fef On 24/06/2015 13:50, Alec Ten Harmsel wrote: > P.P.S. Also, on 1% better performance: My professor for the compilers > class I took used to (maybe still does) work at Google. Apparently > Google sees a <1% increase in performance as *the best thing ever*, > because it can save them a bunch of money in infrastructure and power. > Apparently Google are the ultimate ricers. Sounds like a case where Google already did the sensible optimizations long long ago and are now hitting the diminishing returns from the long tail. There are probably many of these and they all add up. One thing I've learned about Google's setup - there's nothing else like it out there and they are truly unique. Almost nothing Google does to optimize their setup is widely applicable to anything else :-) Take their power density. Last figures I have is they were running at 4x the kW per square foot as anyone else with a brain. This terrifies people who know about cooling. But, that's the setup and that's what Google has to work with. Now suddenly, all those lots of little improvements start to become a huge deal. So yes, ultimate ricers. Also the ultimates in "riding-co-close-to-the-edge-you-fall-off-the-cliff" :-) -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon@gmail.com