[gentoo-user] unabridged english dictionary?

[gentoo-user] unabridged english dictionary?

[James]

OK,

So I just ran across this word "emeried" and I can only find emory.
I think "emeried" is obscure in both meaning and usage. Where do
I find help? It may not be an actual word, or one of those rare "middle
english or french vesticals of a word?

Also, while we are at it, my seamonkey marks words as mispelled,
but there is not a "spellchecker" function to fix the mistakes,
so what am I missing in seamonkey ( I run lxde, if that matters).
If it's an addon I need, suggests as to the best (most complete)
usa english would be welcome information. An unabridged english
dictionary, even if from the right side of the pond, would be keen
to integrate into seamonkey.

Q? (if my memory is correct?)


James

Re: [gentoo-user] unabridged english dictionary?

[Stroller]

On Mon, 8 June 2015, at 2:25 pm, James <wireless@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> ...
> So I just ran across this word "emeried" and I can only find emory.
> I think "emeried" is obscure in both meaning and usage. 

My 1970's copy of the 24-volume Oxford English Dictionary says that emery as a verb is to rub with emery (e.g. emery paper, I guess).

So I guess an example sentence would be "before the panel can be repainted, it must be emeried until all traces of the paint have been removed."

I agree this is obscure - I had to look it up, and my Mac's Dictionary.app doesn't contain it, either.

Are you trying to fix the dictionary? I have often felt Unix /usr/share/dict contains many words so obscure (or obsolete) as to be useless, but it seems to me this not only needs to be addressed upstream, but it's also pretty much a fulltime job for someone.

Stroller.

Re: [gentoo-user] unabridged english dictionary?

[Andrew Lowe]

On 06/08/2015 09:55 PM, Stroller wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 8 June 2015, at 2:25 pm, James <wireless@tampabay.rr.com>
> wrote:
>> ... So I just ran across this word "emeried" and I can only find
>> emory. I think "emeried" is obscure in both meaning and usage.
> 
> My 1970's copy of the 24-volume Oxford English Dictionary says that
> emery as a verb is to rub with emery (e.g. emery paper, I guess).
> 
> So I guess an example sentence would be "before the panel can be
> repainted, it must be emeried until all traces of the paint have been
> removed."
> 
> I agree this is obscure - I had to look it up, and my Mac's
> Dictionary.app doesn't contain it, either.
> 
	Not really obscure. Emery paper is a "standard" type of sandpaper.
Emeried would fall under the same as sanded - sandpaper, buffed -
buffer, garrotted - garrotte, crapped - crap. But then again, I'm a
Structural Engineer/programmer not a linguist and technically failed
year 12 English :)

	Andrew

Re: [gentoo-user] unabridged english dictionary?

[Philip Webb]

150608 James wrote:
> So I just ran across this word "emeried" and I can only find emory.

Others have pointed out that it's a verb from 'emery', an abrasive.

> Where do I find help ?

I always use  http://dictionary.reference.com/ ,
which is also good for etymology, sometimes important for English meanings.
In this case, it offered a long list of possible words, incl 'emeries',
which is the 3rd singular of the verb above.

The OED is the ultimate source for English words, incl eg US usages.
It's not free to the general user, but you can usually find access
or you can buy it in some CD/DVD form.

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Re: [gentoo-user] unabridged english dictionary?

[Raffaele BELARDI]

James wrote:
>
> Also, while we are at it, my seamonkey marks words as mispelled,
> but there is not a "spellchecker" function to fix the mistakes,
> so what am I missing in seamonkey ( I run lxde, if that matters).
> If it's an addon I need, suggests as to the best (most complete)
> usa english would be welcome information. An unabridged english
> dictionary, even if from the right side of the pond, would be keen
> to integrate into seamonkey.
>

To get spell checking working for my native language I had to install 
the dictionary from seamonkey (Edit-Preferences-Appearence-Spelling, 
then from the Language field choose 'Download more dictionaries...'). I 
also have an English US/UK dictionary which I don't remember installing 
so I suppose it's part of the default SM (non-bin) package. In composer 
I switch between languages with CTRL-SHIFT-P. I also run LXDE.

I have the default Gentoo spell checkers installed for OpenOffice, I 
don't know if that matters for SM (hunspell, myspell-en, myspell-it).

raffaele

# eix -I seamonkey
[I] www-client/seamonkey
      Available versions:  2.32 (~)2.33 2.33.1-r1 {+chatzilla +crypt 
custom-cflags custom-optimization dbus debug +gmp-autoupdate gstreamer 
+ipc +jit minimal pulseaudio +roaming selinux startup-notification 
system-cairo system-icu system-jpeg system-libvpx system-sqlite test 
wifi LINGUAS="be ca cs de en_GB es_AR es_ES fi fr gl hu it ja lt nb_NO 
nl pl pt_PT ru sk sv_SE tr uk zh_CN zh_TW"}
      Installed versions:  2.33.1-r1(06:46:34 AM 05/14/2015)(crypt dbus 
gmp-autoupdate ipc startup-notification -chatzilla -custom-cflags 
-custom-optimization -debug -gstreamer -minimal -pulseaudio -roaming 
-selinux -system-cairo -system-icu -system-jpeg -system-libvpx 
-system-sqlite -test -wifi LINGUAS="it -be -ca -cs -de -en_GB -es_AR 
-es_ES -fi -fr -gl -hu -ja -lt -nb_NO -nl -pl -pt_PT -ru -sk -sv_SE -tr 
-uk -zh_CN -zh_TW")
      Homepage:            http://www.seamonkey-project.org
      Description:         Seamonkey Web Browser

# eix -I spell
[I] app-dicts/myspell-en
      Available versions:  20081002
      Installed versions:  20081002(07:11:38 PM 05/26/2012)
      Homepage:            http://lingucomponent.openoffice.org/
      Description:         English dictionaries for myspell/hunspell

[I] app-dicts/myspell-it
      Available versions:  20081129-r1
      Installed versions:  20081129-r1(08:12:04 AM 06/21/2012)
      Homepage:            http://sourceforge.net/projects/linguistico/
      Description:         Italian dictionaries for myspell/hunspell

[U] app-text/gtkspell
      Available versions:
      (2)    2.0.16
      (3)    3.0.4(3/0)
        {+introspection vala}
      Installed versions:  2.0.16(2)(01:18:27 PM 12/14/2012)
      Homepage:            http://gtkspell.sourceforge.net/
      Description:         Spell checking widget for GTK

[I] app-text/hunspell
      Available versions:  1.3.3 {ncurses nls readline static-libs 
LINGUAS="af bg ca cs cy da de el en eo es et fo fr ga gl he hr hu ia id 
is it km ku lt lv mk ms nb nl nn pl pt pt_BR ro ru sk sl sq sv sw tn uk zu"}
      Installed versions:  1.3.3(09:09:54 PM 08/04/2014)(ncurses nls 
readline -static-libs LINGUAS="en it -af -bg -ca -cs -cy -da -de -el -eo 
-es -et -fo -fr -ga -gl -he -hr -hu -ia -id -is -km -ku -lt -lv -mk -ms 
-nb -nl -nn -pl -pt -pt_BR -ro -ru -sk -sl -sq -sv -sw -tn -uk -zu")
      Homepage:            http://hunspell.sourceforge.net/
      Description:         Hunspell spell checker - an improved 
replacement for myspell in OOo

[gentoo-user] Re: unabridged english dictionary?

[James]

Stroller <stroller <at> stellar.eclipse.co.uk> writes:

> 
> 
> On Mon, 8 June 2015, at 2:25 pm, James <wireless <at> tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> > ...
> > So I just ran across this word "emeried" and I can only find emory.
> > I think "emeried" is obscure in both meaning and usage. 
> 
> My 1970's copy of the 24-volume Oxford English Dictionary says that emery
as a verb is to rub with emery (e.g.
> emery paper, I guess).
> 
> So I guess an example sentence would be "before the panel can be
repainted, it must be emeried until all
> traces of the paint have been removed."
> 
> I agree this is obscure - I had to look it up, and my Mac's Dictionary.app
doesn't contain it, either.

YES. Emery is common. Emeried, is obsure; it may have several meanings in
context, like, YOU need POLISHING, you know one of those 'hi_brow' old
english tongue-lashings from an english intellectual (like a snob).
The word 'emeried' came across to me; and I hate when I cannot find the
exact context meaning of a word (it's a personal quark for a guy that 
often does not check his own spelling.





> Are you trying to fix the dictionary? I have often felt Unix
/usr/share/dict contains many words so obscure
> (or obsolete) as to be useless, but it seems to me this not only needs to
be addressed upstream, but it's also
> pretty much a fulltime job for someone.


A while back "Q" enquired if anyone would appreciate his efforts to bring
us a more robust "english dictionary".  So, this is a follow up on that,
but I could not find the thread (lazy_parser_is_broken_in_my_brain)....



> Stroller.


James

[gentoo-user] Re: unabridged english dictionary?

[James]

Raffaele BELARDI <raffaele.belardi <at> st.com> writes:


> > Also, while we are at it, my seamonkey marks words as mispelled,
> > but there is not a "spellchecker" function to fix the mistakes,
> > so what am I missing in seamonkey 

> To get spell checking working for my native language I had to install 
> the dictionary from seamonkey (Edit-Preferences-Appearence-Spelling, 
> then from the Language field choose 'Download more dictionaries...'). I 
> also have an English US/UK dictionary which I don't remember installing 
> so I suppose it's part of the default SM (non-bin) package. In composer 
> I switch between languages with CTRL-SHIFT-P. I also run LXDE.

Yes Yes, I have all of this but nothing "pops up" like all other apps
to facilite word replacement. The mistakes are marked in red, but no
too_function to replace. I have to manually find the correct spelling
and type it in.  Did I miss a flag or config file?

> 
> I have the default Gentoo spell checkers installed for OpenOffice, I 
> don't know if that matters for SM (hunspell, myspell-en, myspell-it).
Every other app works just fine with spell checking, including firefox,
but seamonkey only marks the errors; no visable selection-replacement mechanism.



> raffaele
> # eix -I seamonkey
<snip>

All of your settings (flags) and packages install are the same, except
Italian.

I have
aspell-ed, myspell-en, aspell hunspell and gtkspell too.

It's just the replacement function in seamonkey. Are you sure I do
not have to install some "add_on" to get that working? I've looke and
looked and do not know what I'm missing...........


James

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: unabridged english dictionary?

[Raffaele BELARDI]

James wrote:
> Raffaele BELARDI <raffaele.belardi <at> st.com> writes:
>
>
>>> Also, while we are at it, my seamonkey marks words as mispelled,
>>> but there is not a "spellchecker" function to fix the mistakes,
>>> so what am I missing in seamonkey
>
>> To get spell checking working for my native language I had to install
>> the dictionary from seamonkey (Edit-Preferences-Appearence-Spelling,
>> then from the Language field choose 'Download more dictionaries...'). I
>> also have an English US/UK dictionary which I don't remember installing
>> so I suppose it's part of the default SM (non-bin) package. In composer
>> I switch between languages with CTRL-SHIFT-P. I also run LXDE.
>
> Yes Yes, I have all of this but nothing "pops up" like all other apps
> to facilite word replacement. The mistakes are marked in red, but no
> too_function to replace. I have to manually find the correct spelling
> and type it in.  Did I miss a flag or config file?
>

Nothing pops up here either, I have to right-click on the misspelled 
word and then I get a context menu with list of alternative spellings. 
That's how I always used the spell checker, it there's a more convenient 
way I'd be glad to know also.

raffaele

[gentoo-user] Re: unabridged english dictionary?

[James]

Raffaele BELARDI <raffaele.belardi <at> st.com> writes:


> Nothing pops up here either, I have to right-click on the misspelled 
> word and then I get a context menu with list of alternative spellings. 

AH. Well that's retarded. I guess seamonkey is showing it's age, and my
ignorance or arcane interfaces.....

> That's how I always used the spell checker, it there's a more convenient 
> way I'd be glad to know also.

There has to a "pop" like the billion or so other apps that have spell
checking......?

> raffaele


thx,
James

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: unabridged english dictionary?

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Mon, 8 Jun 2015 18:28:23 +0000 (UTC), James wrote:

> > Nothing pops up here either, I have to right-click on the misspelled 
> > word and then I get a context menu with list of alternative
> > spellings.   
> 
> AH. Well that's retarded. I guess seamonkey is showing it's age, and my
> ignorance or arcane interfaces.....

Claws Mail does the same, so it could be a GTK thing. I prefer it anyway,
I don't want things popping up just because the spell checker hasn't
heard of a word I am using correctly. Whatever next, animated paper
clips? A little colour highlighting is enough of a hint for me.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

BASIC: Bill's Attempt to Seize Industry Control

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[gentoo-user] Re: unabridged english dictionary?

[»Q«]

On Mon, 8 Jun 2015 13:25:15 +0000 (UTC)
James <wireless@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:

> Also, while we are at it, my seamonkey marks words as mispelled,
> but there is not a "spellchecker" function to fix the mistakes,
> so what am I missing in seamonkey ( I run lxde, if that matters).
> If it's an addon I need, suggests as to the best (most complete)
> usa english would be welcome information. An unabridged english
> dictionary, even if from the right side of the pond, would be keen
> to integrate into seamonkey.
> 
> Q? (if my memory is correct?)

I've had to move dictionary stuff to the far back burner for now,
thanks to too much real life stuff.

I don't think there exist unabridged spellchecking dictionaries, but
it's possible to create a pretty big one.  See
<http://wordlist.aspell.net/>, the "create a customized wordlist"
link.  ("Emeried" is in the wordlist for "SCOWL size" >=80.  You can
check to see what words are in what lists by using the "check if a word
is in SCOWL" link.)  If you download a Hunspell dictionary, you should
just be able to unzip it (both the .aff and .dic files)
into /usr/share/hunspell -- that should make it available system-wide.

How to get SeaMonkey to use a new dictionary, I'm not certain.
With Firefox, you right-click in a text box and choose an option
under "Languages".  Maybe this extension would help:
<https://addons.mozilla.org/seamonkey/addon/dictionary-switcher/>.

Firefox 39 and some soon-to-be-released SeaMonkey should come with a
newer en_US dictionary, per
<https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1133363>.  But I don't
think it's possible to use the bundled dictionaries with Gentoo's
built-from-source Mozilla packages.  Maybe seamonkey-bin would do it.

[gentoo-user] Re: unabridged english dictionary?

[James]

»Q« <boxcars <at> gmx.net> writes:


> <http://wordlist.aspell.net/>, the "create a customized wordlist"
> link.  ("Emeried" is in the wordlist for "SCOWL size" >=80.  You can
> check to see what words are in what lists by using the "check if a word
> is in SCOWL" link.)  If you download a Hunspell dictionary, you should
> just be able to unzip it (both the .aff and .dic files)
> into /usr/share/hunspell -- that should make it available system-wide.


OK.

I'll give this some effort and experiment around with web browsers.

thx, Q


James