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[79.198.10.103]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id dm3sm6734021wib.3.2012.11.11.04.49.24 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 11 Nov 2012 04:49:25 -0800 (PST) From: Volker Armin Hemmann To: =?utf-8?B?5b6u6JSh?= Cc: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 13:49:03 +0100 Message-ID: <5547419.JtVDJ1Bk26@energy> User-Agent: KMail/4.9.2 (Linux/3.4.14; KDE/4.9.3; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <56372619.W26tlFO2Wt@gentoo> References: <112728911.Mbjymg5zaZ@energy> <56372619.W26tlFO2Wt@gentoo> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-Archives-Salt: 1b6e6a5f-b0c9-42d0-a415-c1eb3e2f4b5b X-Archives-Hash: 4e784528b55a7a8cc917ba1f99c1f415 Am Sonntag, 11. November 2012, 20:03:33 schrieb =E5=BE=AE=E8=94=A1: > =E5=9C=A8 2012=E5=B9=B411=E6=9C=8811=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E6=97= =A5 12:09:46=EF=BC=8CVolker Armin Hemmann =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A >=20 > > Am Sonntag, 11. November 2012, 15:33:15 schrieb =E5=BE=AE=E8=94=A1:= > > > =E5=9C=A8 2012=E5=B9=B411=E6=9C=8810=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E5= =85=AD 20:56:45=EF=BC=8Cpk =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A > > >=20 > > > > On 2012-11-10 03:03, walt wrote: > > > > > :) systemd is coming whether you or I like it or not so I'm = trying > > > > > :to > > > > >=20 > > > > > stay a bit ahead of the tsunami, that's all. > > > >=20 > > > > Yes, systemd may be coming and may even become mandatory for > > >=20 > > > the Linux > > >=20 > > > > kernel (given it's marriage with udev). when that comes, I'd ra= ther go > > > > *BSD or even Windows for that matter. The current plan is going= > > >=20 > > > mdev, > > >=20 > > > > following Walter Dnes fine example, when I can find the time > > >=20 > > > (perhaps > > >=20 > > > > during xmas). > > >=20 > > > byebye haters . Comunitiy doesn't need people like you. > >=20 > > wrong, it does need people like him. Following one 'messiah' like s= heep > > (in > > this case Poettering and his pulseaudio/systemd mess) is not the RI= GHT > > THING to do. There are always better solutions to a specific proble= m. > >=20 > > > a new > > >=20 > > > > > kernel from Linus every morning and file kernel bug reports w= hen > > > > > appropriate. If I do find a kernel bug I may need to > > >=20 > > > recompile/reboot > > >=20 > > > > > many times as quickly as my machine can do it, so saving 15-2= 0 > > >=20 > > > seconds > > >=20 > > > > > per reboot cycle just feels less painful :) > >=20 > > if you can sacr 15-20 seconds there is something else broken. 20 se= conds > > is > > the overall my box needs - with most time spent in bios. Without sy= stemd. > >=20 > > > =09You maybe paid by some Linux hate company to express like this= . > >=20 > > I conclude you have no idea what you are talking about. Attacking p= eople > > who have other NEEDS than you and so use a different SOLUTION is ju= st > > wrong. > sorry about that. different sulotion is good, but *hate* is bad. be= cause > when you do some techical decisions , *hate* will lead to wrong deci= sions. hate is a natural reaction if something you don't need and don't want i= s=20 forced upon you. If it is also based on lies, hate is a valid reaction.= A lot=20 of people don't need nor want pulseaudio or systemd. Now it is forced o= n=20 everybody. When systemd devs took over udev, one was told that of course, one coul= d use=20 udev without udev in the future. Now they are talking about making udev systemd only. --=20 #163933