From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62A3B1389F5 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 2015 15:41:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DF947E09D7; Sat, 4 Apr 2015 15:41:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wg0-f46.google.com (mail-wg0-f46.google.com [74.125.82.46]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9E0F0E0882 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 2015 15:41:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wgin8 with SMTP id n8so42139617wgi.0 for ; Sat, 04 Apr 2015 08:41:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=V/kVKGEIue8wztJtUUb+E+krPaOIi65+qmBNIKHgf0E=; b=suTCbgQk31kGlZ253CyLqH3k/zWMcQcHYvI0cCpAUYGZmtVQUcmkOa4MuB1NMY7byF 1Gch+41XkJaiR3hPeMQ2+4knfTN5yXim5SmzhX6v2hDWi6No4SnFXv7BqOpk9V7ZXpkH M4mfHUxSJ5qhRjvND06lKwRnExt9gxwwZ8Zt9ki1M2Te9RFnSpmjc2eOBByqIXhvp95S sMFRRsaTMWNtvQBvO5APQEwv9VzR1Y1i9EbS4JoONwBgT/Smu01P0y0qOAi0AbwzCNEJ 45pHgNC8Fl0WgbdaUV4llKf7FWeQYYs+YPZ2lhT1U2fKWCije/Mh++FDLrHDEDuce66L Osbg== X-Received: by 10.195.12.97 with SMTP id ep1mr15132172wjd.134.1428162098574; Sat, 04 Apr 2015 08:41:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.20.0.41] (105-237-235-66.access.mtnbusiness.co.za. [105.237.235.66]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id m1sm7282960wiw.7.2015.04.04.08.41.36 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 04 Apr 2015 08:41:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <55200629.3070005@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2015 17:41:29 +0200 From: Alan McKinnon User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.5.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [OT] Re: [gentoo-user] Question of quantum computer References: <1478951.WCFfi6fabA@navi> <1655034.0iNOFofX7r@wstn> <20150404023130.695f6521@hal9000.localdomain> <20150404112308.GB1077@ca.inter.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 010a51fa-a1d2-41d9-97e4-2f8f974c59db X-Archives-Hash: f3361775134b54d62fe7ca700e9d3c7d On 04/04/2015 13:35, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 7:23 AM, Philip Webb wrote: >> >> What a revelation about at least a minority of Gentoo users ! >> -- philosophers of science + math, besides well-trained physicists. >> > > I think at least half of us on the Council have degrees in the > physical sciences. > > I work mostly with scientists and I have to say that in the last 10 > years the embrace of FOSS by scientists has been considerable. Who > wants to beg the boss for money and with IT for support of SAS when > you can just download R and install it yourself, and so on? Of > course, it tends to also lead to a bit of a mess when that little tool > that was thrown together ends up being depended upon by an entire > department and isn't up to it. So it's not any different to how enterprise works then? Like the cobbled-together mush of perl and bash (that does emerge over ssh in a for loop) becomes the one critical app in all of IT that the ISO-9000 and something cert totally depends on? I've written such perl and bash myself... I recently had the pleasure of converting a small version of that to Ansible. That was fun. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon@gmail.com