From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4382D1389E2 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 17:14:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2872EE08F5; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 17:14:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.no-carrier.info (kraftzwerg.no-carrier.info [87.98.242.129]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0BC81E08D0 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 17:14:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.no-carrier.info (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6D3E39A9897 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 18:14:06 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at no-carrier.info X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.069 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.069 tagged_above=-9999 required=5 tests=[ALL_TRUSTED=-1, BAYES_00=-1.9, CRM114_CHECK=-0.0685, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1] autolearn=no X-CRM114-Status: UNSURE ( 1.37 ) X-CRM114-CacheID: sfid- Received: from mail.no-carrier.info ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (??mail.no-carrier.info [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id oXW-DmbxO6Gf for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 18:13:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (p5DD56F3A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [93.213.111.58]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: mail@marc-stuermer.de) by mail.no-carrier.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7313B39A9892 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 18:13:55 +0100 (CET) Authentication-Results: mail.no-carrier.info; dmarc=none header.from=marc-stuermer.de DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=marc-stuermer.de; s=tsunami; t=1417367636; bh=9q+doLA9wl1Em2xKQDTxIP7s4ecsJMpfk3jXJGqLWus=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=FzzEN83/il0ECzL4qLDpBbHo35/fn6tqdRYw2sqK1XZDHKtJmo5qXZQt/yqXsHP7M G7W6d8DN1IgvLxr8BFsg0Yq2d3+mQG5aCzmtW/HXGLT1aXE0dyDG95eRvPtDkOuCrk 72Sm/85BLCjGi+P/7XQ3Ypqaa6tqyRjAYdkaCCkw= Message-ID: <547B5072.2070202@marc-stuermer.de> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 18:14:26 +0100 From: =?windows-1252?Q?Marc_St=FCrmer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Debian forked, because of systemd brouhaha References: <20141130114401.GD1045@ca.inter.net> <547B0D93.90206@marc-stuermer.de> <201411301301.42308.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> <20141130131302.615d52db@digimed.co.uk> <547B4845.7080901@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <547B4845.7080901@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: a57fc509-0378-4676-a804-904e4f024b6c X-Archives-Hash: d290aebb27723eec29b097543d1374e1 Am 30.11.2014 um 17:39 schrieb Daniel Frey: > systemd most certainly is monolithic as well as modular. You can't run > journald without systemd and you most certainly can't replace journald > with a third party binary. IMHO this type of discussion leads to nowhere. Of course you can view it like that or the other way around and both sides will be always right, and if saying it's monolithic, well, so is X11 which is also not quite unixy to speak of. But it is accepted. Even if you view systemd as modular as possible, it will not solve the other problems for you, if you've got them with that kind of software, and for most people that's Lennart Poettering, his track record of software, his ego and GNOME attitude ("my way or the high way"). YMMV.