From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D0341389E2 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 12:11:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DB4F4E0909; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 12:11:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from icp-osb-irony-out5.external.iinet.net.au (icp-osb-irony-out5.external.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.221]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F415E08FC for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 12:10:58 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiUFAGwIe1RqREna/2dsb2JhbABbgwaBKc1QAoEIFgEBAQEBfYQDAQEEeBELDQsJFg8JAwIBAgFFEwYCAQGIO9JCLIpphTARAVcWhDIFixSRM4EuhiQmiUmEAoQIGRkwgQ2BOgEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.07,487,1413216000"; d="scan'208";a="286412771" Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vm.localdomain) ([106.68.73.218]) by icp-osb-irony-out5.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 30 Nov 2014 20:10:56 +0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.vm.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1362E782C89 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 20:10:56 +0800 (AWST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at localdomain Received: from mail.vm.localdomain ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.vm.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 47goBo9VMvcg for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 20:10:40 +0800 (AWST) Received: from [192.168.44.7] (rattus.lan.localdomain [192.168.44.7]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.vm.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AE90E782C81 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 20:10:39 +0800 (AWST) Message-ID: <547B093F.5050700@iinet.net.au> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 20:10:39 +0800 From: Bill Kenworthy User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.8.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Debian forked, because of systemd brouhaha References: <547A572B.2000601@marc-stuermer.de> <547A7A89.1000606@iinet.net.au> <20141130073522.68033899679b1d1b1e08133e@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <20141130073522.68033899679b1d1b1e08133e@gentoo.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 3da80df1-2f3f-4e01-9279-1025dbb4522d X-Archives-Hash: bd6d9f16eee2c66e60552e098dfd6f13 On 30/11/14 12:35, Andrew Savchenko wrote: > On Sat, 29 Nov 2014 22:32:18 -0500 Rich Freeman wrote: >> On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 9:01 PM, Bill Kenworthy wrote: >>> I am already really annoyed that by default >>> systemd and apps designed to work with it leave traces on openrc based >>> systems. >> >> You're getting worked up about text files and filenames. I suppose >> you'll be really upset that bash completion files are now being >> installed by default, and packages install logrotate configs and cron >> scripts even if you don't use logrotate or cron. > > We have INSTALL_MASK for such cases. While it should be used with > care (as improper use will broke system), INSTALL_MASK="*/systemd/*" > keeps my systems clean from this filthy abomination. > >> Sure, we could add a million more layers of conditionals to everything >> and you might save a few dozen inodes on your 10GB install, at the >> cost of lots of hassle/bugs/etc. In general Gentoo tends to take the >> pragmatic approach. If you're a purist of just about any kind you're >> going to have to hold your nose. However, this cuts both ways - the >> purists who don't want YOU to be able to make the choices YOU want to >> make also have to hold their noses. :) > > Best regards, > Andrew Savchenko > Yes I am using install masking ... but I believe there was a comment that this could break things as some programs expected to see the files in the systemd directories. Hence my comment. And about being a purist and holding my nose ... no I am not ... but I do not like useless cruft just because it was the easy way out which was my impression of the conversation on the email list - hence INSTASL_MASLK. BillK