From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92F921389E2 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 02:26:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5993CE0897; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 02:26:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from icp-osb-irony-out1.external.iinet.net.au (icp-osb-irony-out1.external.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.210]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3FF8E07ED for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 02:26:14 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ag0FAFZ/elRqREna/2dsb2JhbABbgwaELsdKgxICgQoWAQEBAQF9hAMBAQQjSQoCEQsNCwICBRYLAgIJAwIBAgFFEwgBAYg7vE2VQgErgS6PVBaCX4FTBYsUjm+CRIEuEIYUJhGNOoQIGRmCdwEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.07,486,1413216000"; d="scan'208";a="276869063" Received: from unknown (HELO mail.vm.localdomain) ([106.68.73.218]) by icp-osb-irony-out1.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 30 Nov 2014 10:26:12 +0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.vm.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E0AE78296F for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 10:26:12 +0800 (AWST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at localdomain Received: from mail.vm.localdomain ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.vm.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id D7vqyDG02NZQ for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 10:26:06 +0800 (AWST) Received: from [192.168.44.7] (rattus.lan.localdomain [192.168.44.7]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.vm.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 76EF9781696 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 10:01:45 +0800 (AWST) Message-ID: <547A7A89.1000606@iinet.net.au> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 10:01:45 +0800 From: Bill Kenworthy User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.8.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Debian forked, because of systemd brouhaha References: <547A572B.2000601@marc-stuermer.de> In-Reply-To: <547A572B.2000601@marc-stuermer.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: ea8d0cd2-3e2f-4a8d-a396-41ffcf120e43 X-Archives-Hash: fa955ce651b854ea631d28ab80ef5903 On 30/11/14 07:30, Marc Stuermer wrote: > Am 29.11.2014 um 11:11 schrieb Pandu Poluan: > >> What do you think, people? Shouldn't we offer them our eudev project to >> assist? > > After studying their home pages so far I came to the conclusion, that I > cannot take "Devuan" serious. It still feels more like a prank to me > than a serious thing. > > First the name "Veteran Unix Admins collective" sounds strange. Nobody > ever heared of them before, they don't have any kind of information on > the web before that announcement of the fork showed up. > > Second: they are already asking for donations. > > Third, but most important reason: no names on their f***ing pages. Why? > If I would fork a project I would mention popular names right from the > beginning to gain a serious momentum! This has not happened here at all. > > Who are those people? Whose behind this so called "fork"? That's a thing > that's still lurking somewhere in the shadows. > > Especially the fact, that they don't mention any names at all on their > project pages is something that's really strange to say at last. > > So unless those people behind the shadows are coming out of the dark and > going to solidify it's just something many people would like to happen, > of course - but without any substance at all. > > That's why I am skeptical about all of this created buzz around it and > seriously doubt if they are going to be able to deliver. > maybe, maybe not. I read "Veteran Unix Admins collective" as a category that old style admin types fall into - the background being that systemd is essentially the old guard, do things based on experience and good practice vs the new guard whose use case is throw away vm's that are not expected to hang around, we don't care" amateurs. I am a native English speaker, maybe that's why you missed it? They do make the point that they didn't really have a long term plan to fork ... they tried to work within the system but have just now decided that its not going to work so "fork". I think its a case of watch this space as they are just getting organised and have a lot to attend to at very short notice. Implications? - will gentoo fork if push comes to shove? - using this example I hope so ... I am already really annoyed that by default systemd and apps designed to work with it leave traces on openrc based systems. BillK