From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CD62138350 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 2020 21:02:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 17606E0F36; Mon, 6 Apr 2020 21:02:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.hosts.co.uk (smtp.hosts.co.uk [85.233.160.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BE13AE0E42 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 2020 21:02:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [81.153.42.4] (helo=[192.168.1.225]) by smtp.hosts.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim) (envelope-from ) id 1jLYsc-0007yw-7f for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Mon, 06 Apr 2020 22:02:02 +0100 Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] ...recreating exactly the same applications on a new harddisc? To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org References: <20200404173459.eggbc2sijcnkw67j@solfire> <8b767f42-0945-ecd7-fcff-5fc0277841fd@spamtrap.tnetconsulting.net> <20200405081741.o32ew747jluxa3qg@solfire> <20200405092850.2mntgj3xbh3u53dt@ad-gentoo-main.Home> <20200405135252.2aa7401d@digimed.co.uk> From: antlists Message-ID: <5478b9d7-81c3-8799-47e6-f7bea85f1ee5@youngman.org.uk> Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2020 22:02:04 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.6.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200405135252.2aa7401d@digimed.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: eb57db91-f940-4387-877a-f351ec67699b X-Archives-Hash: 292acb0bd96e4fb710d29bbd572161aa On 05/04/2020 13:52, Neil Bothwick wrote: > This isn't strictly true, the ESP must be vfat, but you can still have an > ext? /boot. This isn't true at all - you've got the cart before the horse. The original (U)EFI spec comes from Sun, I believe, with no vfat in sight. A standards-compliant factory-fresh Mac boots using UEFI with no vfat in sight. A standards-compliant UEFI firmware MUST BE CAPABLE of booting from (a certain version of) vfat. So if you use a vfat partition the spec says it must work. It doesn't demand you use vfat, so Macs use HFS+ or whatever it is, and there is no reason why eg System7 couldn't write their own firmware to use ext2 or whatever. Cheers, Wol