From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 786AC1389E2 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 14:54:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2C11FE09A8; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 14:54:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.no-carrier.info (kraftzwerg.no-carrier.info [87.98.242.129]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 22BEFE09A1 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 14:54:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.no-carrier.info (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B7BB39A9894 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 15:53:48 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at no-carrier.info X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.077 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.077 tagged_above=-9999 required=5 tests=[ALL_TRUSTED=-1, BAYES_00=-1.9, CRM114_CHECK=-0.0765, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1] autolearn=no X-CRM114-Status: UNSURE ( 1.53 ) X-CRM114-CacheID: sfid- Received: from mail.no-carrier.info ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (??mail.no-carrier.info [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 0Ua_9-mrFRel for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 15:53:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.135] (p5490D00B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.144.208.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: mail@marc-stuermer.de) by mail.no-carrier.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 69D3039A9892 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 15:53:37 +0100 (CET) Authentication-Results: mail.no-carrier.info; dmarc=none header.from=marc-stuermer.de DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=marc-stuermer.de; s=tsunami; t=1417100017; bh=0epcexSmiMMh+UhaAeiy88LZEAwn0vHnhWOEdWzLj10=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=EduzxUW3bPLp5YDuDjNKcTMgFLC/YKNL9YRT/Nj1gaKs3kNQuvXTJQ04ABNJeUoVk pBOlOa/DQE6VK2haNjC24+WvvfDD1op0222CowuLB+dJAj4ErHX6AeIDyD6tN4R7NV YOYMbdpEWkyhIkqN3BCDxP8hJxNutI9xw4oTmkow= Message-ID: <54773AF9.90607@marc-stuermer.de> Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 15:53:45 +0100 From: Marc Stuermer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now References: <546EE70C.2050506@yourstruly.sx> <54721CEC.1020902@libertytrek.org> <5472424D.1070204@libertytrek.org> <547242ED.3060709@libertytrek.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: db7add30-2fa6-4249-b501-14e035fca2e1 X-Archives-Hash: 7f08cfbd7595f246a1a2b0e1c27b7008 Am 27.11.2014 um 15:21 schrieb Tom H: > Lennart made some design choices that I wish that he hadn't made but > I'm not losing any sleep over this; and I don't understand why anyone > else should. Three frequently brought up issues: 1. Lennart Poettering does not exactly have a track record of making excellent software, more likely making banana software and if he loses interest in his project, hopefully someone will take over. Though him stepping back from Systemd would not be a big issue, because Red Hat does endorse and support it and for sure would find someone else to step up. Excellent software though is another cup of coffee, many just don't want to have his stuff being responsible for booting up their system because of his track record and personal attitude he shows at some conferences and is being held up against him quite frequently. (For example stuff like this here should not happen: https://plus.google.com/+TheodoreTso/posts/4W6rrMMvhWU) 2. The "Red Hat wants to take over all other Linux distributions, then squash them and Systemd it their trojan horse." 3. Systemd just got way too big and complicated for the taste of many techies, also usurping the development of other key components which in former times where independent (think about udev, there's a reason for why the eudev-fork came into existance). This and Systemd becoming a hard dependancy for important software packages.