From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 075801389E2 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 08:41:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0EA96E08C8; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 08:41:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-lb0-f170.google.com (mail-lb0-f170.google.com [209.85.217.170]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CB186E08AE for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 08:41:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lb0-f170.google.com with SMTP id w7so2043465lbi.29 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 00:41:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=o401J++sAW+rTil2IDvY1hCUrVOh56iUM2Oy/JvGfrE=; b=jn8zPHNWUwOUODu11+oCIIC4mOPXOmHS4w733G8cXytG85Et1XoZy1I5hWyt882GEv 6tv1HIcRfmenENPBpjyN0D7fa1Z8tAThywHIgyrxLFU8oI6Ht9UtmO4QmBAoFilvlH6a LgU2K6Ir+Q5eBc4iu2NZwfsP5mkgg3CEKP7moMyxFp1KyqIqyfWvuvyLofyFviqpgfvp 3eDzjCk/nfOszJe44Bwwuu+wI4bnWK3QSkeWcMCBjBAmBTfzaDaxmHRba+KnD5QU3ejw 2NYEySc/TelWGRSkuZJf0JgrjnPDHzM/hJD0kf9R1PNaiGkgA8YHz+ddO0PpOY+HFYxr RPfw== X-Received: by 10.112.63.133 with SMTP id g5mr32635918lbs.33.1416991279299; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 00:41:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from cosmo ([193.200.85.246]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ro7sm1020596lbb.14.2014.11.26.00.41.18 for (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 26 Nov 2014 00:41:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5475922e.878d700a.7ba2.33a4@mx.google.com> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 10:39:17 +0200 From: Gevisz To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now In-Reply-To: <5475851B.4020707@marc-stuermer.de> References: <546EE70C.2050506@yourstruly.sx> <20141121173600.GA1029@ca.inter.net> <547370D2.50009@marc-stuermer.de> <54737886.a3a7700a.6f81.4209@mx.google.com> <54738371.6050708@marc-stuermer.de> <5474c078.a817980a.68d0.0c0a@mx.google.com> <5475851B.4020707@marc-stuermer.de> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: f4094edc-2fde-4e8a-bf31-a2de213572da X-Archives-Hash: c45a7cb217b2059ad5e9c1b04266d78e On Wed, 26 Nov 2014 08:45:31 +0100 Marc St=C3=BCrmer wrote: > Am 25.11.2014 um 18:44 schrieb Gevisz: >=20 > > It usually took me from 10 to 20 minutes to download my daily updates > > in Ubuntu. For big packages - about 40 minutes or even more. > > > >> That's the time saving aspect > > > > lol :) >=20 > Not "lol", it is like I told you. Binary distributions are a big, big=20 > time saver compared to a rolling update source based meta distribution=20 > like Gentoo. >=20 > Another reason why many stick with Distros like e.g. Debian, SuSE or=20 > Ubuntu is: >=20 > * you got a standardized environment/system. >=20 > That's also a very big requirement if using it in a corporate=20 > environment, if not the most important one. I do agree with you concerning the corporate environment. Moreover, if I had to maintain a dozen or more *different* computers for other users, I would prefer to use some binary distro with a standardized environment than to set up a custom configuration (including the kernel options) for each of them and then compile everything on each computer. However, I do prefer to setup every possible option for my convenience and compile everything for the better performance on my personal computer. And for a personal use and not super fast connection to the Internet, spending time for downloading updates every day is indeed annoying. Moreover, if I had to maintain computers for *other* users, I would not mind to upgrade their binary distributions every 2 or, better, every 5 years even if *their* working environment would every time change from Gnome2 to Unity and then back to Gnome3. Especially, if it is not my duty to retrain them for this new environment. = :) But for myself, I would prefer that my desktop interface would change as little as possible, and only in the direction I want. :) > I am not saying that this is not doable with Gentoo, but to achieve it=20 > with Gentoo you've got to implement quite some things. For Debian e.g.=20 > it comes free out of the box. =20