From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3628F1389E2 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 06:45:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EBC23E0891; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 06:45:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-la0-f54.google.com (mail-la0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3D24CE085D for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 06:45:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f54.google.com with SMTP id gf13so1863258lab.41 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 22:45:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=dv9QizkN9uvfPiApUAGCGtXEM4rFoFpZCEhd2lUPomc=; b=k/V611BS+LQMdUjoDMijLghHO06+/yzXbNQqisZH8ShPp94JZivrfL5EnC5G4iN/QU 4kvBD05DCc7DhE015hePfjqHjsyWfaamCZvEvHkPcde3zPTwrqn8KbjIZtOMOXDx05lQ M3UD/BJuDqaB2XRJ/eAv49eAuAfwAhC0VJqz5w3zusc+GL+Asv79AaqW1++J+GUBOd+2 +sSY9vnDH+jyc1BiZrDoq8XBe24IcQI59K5491eSeRTeIlqmizcUPe0PAAQJp6JbL//p B3m6NVs9jThvRXg1rM1U7gPNMWUkATEVFJao47CM5dKjriw8YYcUXXQ/HF4U62URzUR7 rgqA== X-Received: by 10.152.120.73 with SMTP id la9mr32494005lab.23.1416984333539; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 22:45:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from cosmo ([193.200.85.246]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id wq1sm950811lbb.24.2014.11.25.22.45.32 for (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 25 Nov 2014 22:45:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5475770c.019e700a.3d69.2e2b@mx.google.com> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 08:43:32 +0200 From: Gevisz To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now In-Reply-To: <20141126005658.30f56025@digimed.co.uk> References: <546EE70C.2050506@yourstruly.sx> <20141121173600.GA1029@ca.inter.net> <547370D2.50009@marc-stuermer.de> <54737886.a3a7700a.6f81.4209@mx.google.com> <20141124210516.53a54a90@digimed.co.uk> <54740bae.c12a980a.75de.01e4@mx.google.com> <20141125084110.1991c9f0@digimed.co.uk> <5474b82b.e405980a.0c3e.1da0@mx.google.com> <20141125173748.4bcd4131@hactar.digimed.co.uk> <5474c2f2.0306980a.620b.1e3f@mx.google.com> <20141125194953.6f5bcfda@hactar.digimed.co.uk> <5474e5f9.67c7700a.58f2.266a@mx.google.com> <20141125224214.7d6ec4e9@digimed.co.uk> <20141126005658.30f56025@digimed.co.uk> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 539cc3bc-fb98-495d-bdd4-ff548dc8c60d X-Archives-Hash: 41ee9e900a4cb94b5888b74351baa19f On Wed, 26 Nov 2014 00:56:58 +0000 Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Wed, 26 Nov 2014 00:35:18 +0100, Emanuele Rusconi wrote: >=20 > > > The point was that it could be changed. [=E2=80=A6] > > > > > > [=E2=80=A6] It's about as on-topic and relevant as WinXP. =20 > >=20 > > No, the point was that sometimes even a small annoyance is plenty > > enough to drive people away. >=20 > Well, if you put it like that. >=20 > > The point was that when you feel that the distro you're using takes a > > direction that doesn't fit you, you look for alternatives. > > And that's perfectly on-topic. >=20 > In which case, >=20 > > What's off-topic is to figure out if the damn buttons could actually > > be moved or not. >=20 > so is this, as it determines the level of annoyance. >=20 > Changing distros because of a default for a configuration is like > changing your car because the ashtray is full. Your analogy is not full. Just imagine that you do not smoke at all, have an allergy for the smoke and the smell of cigarettes ash. (It is easy for me because it is exactly my case.) Then, imagine that during the test drive of a new car you found out that its ashtray is full of ash that smells very strong and to empty it you should first completely disassemble the car, disinfect all its parts, change the parts that is impossible to disinfect (seats, etc.) and reassemble it again. Moreover, asking the car maker about it, you get the answer that its not a defect but a new feature that lets you enjoy the smell of *his* favorite cigarettes and frees you from the necessity to smoke while driving. The latter, in my view, is more full analogy of a annoying bag in the distro interface that was introduced by design and that nobody want or can fix for at least half a year and, when it finally gets fixed, the next distro just reproduces it anew.