From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A93E81389E2 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 07:18:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 238AFE08D3; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 07:18:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wg0-f42.google.com (mail-wg0-f42.google.com [74.125.82.42]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CFFD0E0874 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 07:17:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f42.google.com with SMTP id z12so11396wgg.15 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 23:17:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=xl/3HedwT1Cfq0yTCHBdM1GFcqrnIpc6mFMh/6cNuvA=; b=czTyxZTGfIvrycyAJqjyYpwfcNIYlMSPNhr3w/amqvfPm4it5a8WqjUuo7HKpUNf5O nulf6E1h/0PxAC58pI2e7m/EkV6IzU365miJHOGyXFX9P9xxVtexDFvKxogS8veaf0jj 8ylhZdiwy2rV2T7zXhcqHNh7JbC1vW3tGyelTGzypRd6nbo0EDWOpB+deoc2G4Dldur+ mzrpXGIKDBrhhtYkbOtM0Tfww5/Dg0IJUmZwBiSqxZeJJjvscBlXEec9oBV0PGoJnYkQ QlCwH38+516Cc0G48q8o9Zg3Kvv0H2u3pMuM6FS+UflXmIwEZGIKZ8bc14zoLxFGy6vB jzDA== X-Received: by 10.194.238.3 with SMTP id vg3mr4400512wjc.69.1416899878427; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 23:17:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from cosmo ([193.200.85.246]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id kn5sm579784wjb.48.2014.11.24.23.17.57 for (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 24 Nov 2014 23:17:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <54742d25.a576c20a.4d91.2ae4@mx.google.com> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 09:15:59 +0200 From: Gevisz To: Gevisz , gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now References: <546EE70C.2050506@yourstruly.sx> <20141121173600.GA1029@ca.inter.net> <547370D2.50009@marc-stuermer.de> <54737886.a3a7700a.6f81.4209@mx.google.com> <20141124210516.53a54a90@digimed.co.uk> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: e155e835-4165-4523-9158-14c2494d7161 X-Archives-Hash: 964a883ce7b25704ab4dda8e93a5cb11 On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 06:53:14 +0200 Gevisz wrote: > On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 21:05:16 +0000 Neil Bothwick wrote: > > > On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 20:25:22 +0200, Gevisz wrote: > > > > > I switched from Ubuntu 10.04 to Gentoo just because it forced closing > > > window button "x" to the upper-left corner of the window in Unity of > > > Ubuntu 12.04 while I used to look for it in the upper-right corner. :) > > > > Wouldn't it have been easier to use the simple configuration option to > > move the button back to where you expected it? Far less effort than > > switching distros. > > No. It is not possible in Unity or, at least, it was not possible > in Unity at the time when Ubuntu 12.04 was released. They really > *forced* their users to accept the new place of the closing window > frame button and have argued that it is more ergonomic. > > There was not any possibility to change the place of the closing > window frame button in Unity via configuration options. Quite a > lot of Ubuntu users complained about it yet in Ubuntu 10.04, > where the new place of that button was a new default though > it was possible to change it back via configuration options. > In Unity, it was absolutely impossible. > > I even can agree with them that a new place of that button was > logical, ergonomic and saved screen space. Only now, I have realized that, logically, it was possible to rearrange all the elements of Unity in such a way that it was logical, ergonomic, saved space, and moreover kept the window frame close button at its usual place, but it was not possible with the Unity configuration anyway. > It is *forcing* old users to change their habits just after upgrade > from Ubuntu 10.04 LST to Ubuntu 12.04 LST make me looking for an > alternative distribution. And it was the first time when I carefully > looked though all the alternatives and make my choice consciously. > (Before that my choice was mainly influenced by the people who > helped me to install and maintain my first Linux systems: Suse > at the time when it was still free :), Red Hat :(, or just advised > me to try them: Alt Linux, Ubuntu.) > > I think that I made the right choice now and I like Gentoo > distribution, though it has its own shortcomings. > > For example, Firefox 24.8.0 in stable Gentoo tree when outdated > Ubuntu 12.04 has Firefox 33.0. (It is not that I am running for > the version numbers but Google sites do not support Firefox 24.8 > any more.) > >