From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E441D1389E2 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 04:55:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CBC72E08BF; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 04:55:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-la0-f45.google.com (mail-la0-f45.google.com [209.85.215.45]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 46FBEE077A for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 04:55:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f45.google.com with SMTP id gq15so8927701lab.18 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 20:55:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=vIvrWhLKipff2aHLBBPyriC2OxR+RqQpUt2pteA1cbg=; b=fssPFo1gQL+7KlRXc5jA6HSMDcD5TPSFVhto5fK6Bb6CwNzZcILOSmRSzjgnb1nSEn rumrqyanQ7RurmNq/pV45KamWa0kYLRSB5r9CSw8eZ7Qr54wvGJlUolY4AKrCKltpyWQ rF3pXwu6hcoOKqk7Qshko8xSiNTOVt6sGL1u7yQR6DqV9WA/VE7C9P0aHMfUmdcOK/dt WcgGv/rIfHpy22xTj3utoWANWSao4h1wBjYO3mbkjxm65VuZ2rM0chkBgQZZrq3mPwHD 6jx9OkE6uNuxIL6VUygzFJVvsl/quhJfATIoIsEkpPlRd1p5yYfknIzVlY85uQluBPm9 PVxQ== X-Received: by 10.153.6.33 with SMTP id cr1mr24273655lad.63.1416891311589; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 20:55:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from cosmo ([193.200.85.246]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id q1sm45785lal.6.2014.11.24.20.55.10 for (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 24 Nov 2014 20:55:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <54740bae.c12a980a.75de.01e4@mx.google.com> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 06:53:14 +0200 From: Gevisz To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now In-Reply-To: <20141124210516.53a54a90@digimed.co.uk> References: <546EE70C.2050506@yourstruly.sx> <20141121173600.GA1029@ca.inter.net> <547370D2.50009@marc-stuermer.de> <54737886.a3a7700a.6f81.4209@mx.google.com> <20141124210516.53a54a90@digimed.co.uk> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 09316702-a861-43b5-8410-44114e33a7f8 X-Archives-Hash: 44b643a2ad2eb48b5f1f96e97932894c On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 21:05:16 +0000 Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 20:25:22 +0200, Gevisz wrote: > > > I switched from Ubuntu 10.04 to Gentoo just because it forced closing > > window button "x" to the upper-left corner of the window in Unity of > > Ubuntu 12.04 while I used to look for it in the upper-right corner. :) > > Wouldn't it have been easier to use the simple configuration option to > move the button back to where you expected it? Far less effort than > switching distros. No. It is not possible in Unity or, at least, it was not possible in Unity at the time when Ubuntu 12.04 was released. They really *forced* their users to accept the new place of the closing window frame button and have argued that it is more ergonomic. There was not any possibility to change the place of the closing window frame button in Unity via configuration options. Quite a lot of Ubuntu users complained about it yet in Ubuntu 10.04, where the new place of that button was a new default though it was possible to change it back via configuration options. In Unity, it was absolutely impossible. I even can agree with them that a new place of that button was logical, ergonomic and saved screen space. So, there was nothing bad placing it there by default, especially for those who never used computer before. Even more: if they just had changed a default and allowed changing it back via configuration option, I would probably switched to the new place of that button later. It is *forcing* old users to change their habits just after upgrade from Ubuntu 10.04 LST to Ubuntu 12.04 LST make me looking for an alternative distribution. And it was the first time when I carefully looked though all the alternatives and make my choice consciously. (Before that my choice was mainly influenced by the people who helped me to install and maintain my first Linux systems: Suse at the time when it was still free :), Red Hat :(, or just advised me to try them: Alt Linux, Ubuntu.) I think that I made the right choice now and I like Gentoo distribution, though it has its own shortcomings. For example, Firefox 24.8.0 in stable Gentoo tree when outdated Ubuntu 12.04 has Firefox 33.0. (It is not that I am running for the version numbers but Google sites do not support Firefox 24.8 any more.)