From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBED51389E2 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 18:27:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0436AE07F2; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 18:27:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-lb0-f181.google.com (mail-lb0-f181.google.com [209.85.217.181]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9A9FFE077B for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 18:27:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lb0-f181.google.com with SMTP id 10so3216837lbg.12 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 10:27:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=FGtbhI43XyhqJ7fNsoB7hHfHjHFVrznhQ35BcnGLlAM=; b=TtmEbY1wQynV7WZvN2toNezzwW/HH9xM+duwf50aU+nY7a3/aXNaUo7HsIOwk/fFpk DVs67puTu1sIalvRX/2X1uiubs0eFu+UW+wDq/nf64zAlsvZOK3ZZtH1tnRvos48pJXO sFC6jitEWsQugIucc+iZ28VfDB6amth9dQDK03RP2ZGNmBl9YpTjJcN9WdCe/qGe/O90 NsaGk4/zfm3eOggSQhiRJBnyyvM/B2c0EkpRcbvV8L4gcaQkaM3mqvaSZj9JoqSG7K+2 Rzr8Hu3555JIFccUsOkfFunB+qnGHP4YgUal9oiy2dn7mL9I7AhvczdKqBzBjDxvtL0u ewEg== X-Received: by 10.152.6.166 with SMTP id c6mr21960427laa.20.1416853639111; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 10:27:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from cosmo ([193.200.85.246]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id zp3sm1463041lbb.45.2014.11.24.10.27.18 for (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 24 Nov 2014 10:27:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <54737886.a3a7700a.6f81.4209@mx.google.com> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 20:25:22 +0200 From: Gevisz To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now In-Reply-To: <547370D2.50009@marc-stuermer.de> References: <546EE70C.2050506@yourstruly.sx> <20141121173600.GA1029@ca.inter.net> <547370D2.50009@marc-stuermer.de> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: fd02180e-603c-4ae6-9829-0f29441d7f0f X-Archives-Hash: b34832c947271ba281ec6077aead7c11 On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 18:54:26 +0100 Marc St=C3=BCrmer wrote: > Am 21.11.2014 um 18:36 schrieb Philip Webb: >=20 > > Adoption of Systemd by other major distros sb good for Gentoo. > > Disgruntled Debians, Fedoras, Archies (IIRC they've also adopted it) > > will have a choice of giving in or moving to Slackware or Gentoo. >=20 > Well, Gentoo is for sure quite a different beast compared to Fedora,=20 > Debian or Ubuntu. >=20 > I don't think so, that many people are going to switch to Gentoo just=20 > because of Systemd, because of the differences between Gentoo and e.g.=20 > Debian. I switched from Ubuntu 10.04 to Gentoo just because it forced closing window button "x" to the upper-left corner of the window in Unity of Ubuntu 12.04 while I used to look for it in the upper-right corner. :) So, I see no reason that those that hate systemd would not do the same. > All other major distros are: binary distributed (timesaver!), I disagree: the downloading all that crap also takes a lot of time. > have a steady release cycle (contrary to Gentoo's rolling upgrade) Steady "release cycle" is also not so good. Back to my example: I used to Ubunto 10.04 LTS with Gnome 2 and out of a sudden I was supposed to switch to Unity on Ubuntu 12.04. It led to the protest. :) =20 > Especially in server environments many people don't want to compile=20 > their stuff on production environment and have a rolling upgrade=20 > distribution. May be. I do not run servers so far. Only a couple of desktops. > And especially in server environments there seems to be=20 > the biggest resistance against systemd. >=20 > So naturally they would look for something that has a steady release=20 > cycle and is binary distributed, without systemd. >=20 > E.g. Slackware or FreeBSD does fit that niche. =20