From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C01CC138A1A for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 18:25:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B8C2CE0A4F; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 18:25:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wi0-f170.google.com (mail-wi0-f170.google.com [209.85.212.170]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5299CE0A04 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 18:25:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wi0-f170.google.com with SMTP id bs8so7150337wib.5 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 10:25:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=rzFFFbd3wQmmjZjCCAO13jW3UsP1Hvdz9dEtPlqi7ds=; b=FTEKe4EegRrNR0AiDYUtEqXNtvDRoMK/zZBDrIbQqJI3VJwXVijds2hx9AT+m52shj B5SCJecLJ3KorB5lGB7DJoB9DWcdLmKmi4BzKyqvmBc8EFrbqAGrtKqJP1lBRgVbDoK5 I7LCIcQISXy93n6arQFZkEcndo47olxoN2uN1vnQ2C2y/Z3ZQsJx4D1cZnewXONplFiV gtRlv8YyxEw7UhDvWbnoR6e4Mk1krG9KAXdho0uz22te99ov06UkYIMGdTM1ajSw1Tq4 VrE4fziJEh6rUHZlS3tYIyH8xMWMC+jrbSY6o2IGQ441Vm/7bUxbYWhwUgnjXYKOrY31 65XA== X-Received: by 10.180.11.8 with SMTP id m8mr14589723wib.11.1416767128066; Sun, 23 Nov 2014 10:25:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.178.21] (p4FC12258.dip0.t-ipconnect.de. [79.193.34.88]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id l3sm9704609wje.12.2014.11.23.10.25.27 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 23 Nov 2014 10:25:27 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <54722696.2030803@googlemail.com> Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 19:25:26 +0100 From: Volker Armin Hemmann User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's future directtion ? References: <5470D229.7000806@tampabay.rr.com> <5470DBF5.1060304@gentoo.org> <547111B5.2030909@gentoo.org> <20141123151825.GA2139@vidovic.ultras.lan> <5471FDE1.2040108@googlemail.com> <20141123173348.GB2139@vidovic.ultras.lan> In-Reply-To: <20141123173348.GB2139@vidovic.ultras.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 81093ab2-74ca-4ba4-b316-bf3b7a827392 X-Archives-Hash: 35efc8a0d83fcc1c88336fe54c133a1d Am 23.11.2014 um 18:33 schrieb Nicolas Sebrecht: > On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 04:31:45PM +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > >> am I the only one who thinks that this way leads to madness? >> >> Version conflicts are bad enough. > First, version conflicts have their roots in the support for versions of > libraries in softwares. This is the best place to fix that when > possible. > > When it comes to ebuilds maintainers, version conflicts are about all > about DECLARATIONS. If software A need Y-v1..12, we should have a way > for the maintainers to declare that A relies on Y-v1..12 and let the > dependency softwares to the hard job and admin/users handle them the way > they want. > Today, this is badly managed with implicit expectations everywhere. > > Also, there are ways to overcome version conflicts. Slots are one of > them. > >> No multiply that with a bunch of >> overlays, all having their own libXY with just some tiny, tiny >> differences, and another bunch of overlays who want libXY from certain >> others.... > That's a reason why I said that overlays are a poor kind of pointers. > > For overlay maintainers today, if the main portage tree does not offer > what they expect, the only option they have is to rewrite their own > "static" dependency tree with their own ebuilds. That sucks. > > Portage should support a way to expose ALL the conditions for a software > to work and update installed libraries to match the requirements. > and you want portage to finish on this site of eternity when looking for dependency resolution?