From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA6AA138A1A for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2014 17:06:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F2DE0E09C5; Sat, 22 Nov 2014 17:06:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.229]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE08AE0895 for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2014 17:06:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [71.40.157.251] ([71.40.157.251:50874] helo=[192.168.2.52]) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 5E/4A-32558-AA2C0745; Sat, 22 Nov 2014 17:06:50 +0000 Message-ID: <5470D229.7000806@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2014 13:12:57 -0500 From: wireless@tampabay.rr.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.8.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org CC: wireless Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo's future directtion ? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.168.130:25 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Archives-Salt: 757b1317-3d20-4b45-91b6-333d1634fa79 X-Archives-Hash: a4c4edc184b83cca4eb5f3540ec6c10d On 11/22/14 01:20, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 7:13 PM, wrote: >> On 11/21/14 17:10, Rich Freeman wrote: > If you want to work on them, you might consider becoming a dev, or > working on them in an overlay (which is a good way to become a dev, > actually). Exactly, I agree. That is why the idea to have a small core of Gentoo elites (the chosen devs) and move everyone else into overlays, is a very bad idea. > You seem to be under the impression that Gentoo devs work on things > that the Gentoo leadership tells them to work on. That is hardly the > case, many of our most important packages are also the least > maintained, because devs work on what they work on, and not on the > stuff the leadership considers important. If a Gentoo developer > wanted to work on Java the leadership wouldn't interfere with that > just as they didn't interfere with a couple of devs deciding to fork > udev. > Rich Not really. I think you misss my points and intentions exactly. Java is critical and growing. Folks are constantly knocking on the gentoo door with technologies, that are java centric. Here is the latest one, just posted to gentoo-dev: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Android I tried to participate with the java herd/project. Few have the authority to close old java bugs. The few that do, are apathetic, absent or just do not 'give a shit'. I was told to go work on java bugs, maybe somebody will notice. Really. The first 100 or so I looked at, are deprecated. They just need somebody to 'remove them' the BGO java backlog is being artificially used to prevent java work on gentoo. Somebody of authority needs to open up java for other folks to work on. Close the 100 oldest bugs is a no brainer and a good start, yet nobody will do that, and nobody else is allowed to close them. *CONVENIENT* if you hate java and are in control. If this is not true, the the council should open up java bug cleaning. Worst case scenario, these hundreds of old bugs will have to be re-filed, with updated data from this decade..... (actually a very excellent idea in and of itself). This policy, whether part of a grand conspiracy, or due to apathetic leadership, has the net effect to run off potential new devs to gentoo and who like java. PS. sorry about forking to new threads, my access is now nntp (earlybird) and it just down not follow the thread correctly. Rich, I actually appreciate you help. But somebody of authority is going to have to step into this java on gentoo mess and clean house, provide leadership and encourage (hell, just remove the roadblocks) from java on gentoo. OK? sincerely, James