From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33520138A1C for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2014 19:22:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 33C78E09A6; Fri, 21 Nov 2014 19:22:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.yourstruly.sx (mail.yourstruly.sx [206.125.168.70]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B529E0985 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2014 19:22:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.yourstruly.sx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61FCE103AEC for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2014 22:48:05 +0200 (EET) Authentication-Results: mail.yourstruly.sx (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) reason="pass (just generated, assumed good)" header.d=yourstruly.sx DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=yourstruly.sx; h= content-transfer-encoding:content-type:content-type:in-reply-to :references:subject:subject:mime-version:user-agent:from:from :date:date:message-id:received:received; s=mail; t=1416602882; x=1418417283; bh=YP1ScEkcAnBYYEthVAfz5YkLe3ESAhZO74w5glT3GrQ=; b= wYkW9s9R+OIEx56TdHPoCVgYHj5Noemd9JjTuA5YPGamqySApokTWOpb8quwYUb4 vrNMQNzkRH6/69l+V5oW6O9gadf1zAdnvN0gNB0D40hdHCsoSPJIlTZemFe+eBH5 VqlS//AhA7wjkiLt9bpN1VVcvXauEKU4u01UWQww2No= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at yourstruly.sx X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1 tagged_above=-9999 required=5 tests=[ALL_TRUSTED=-1] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.yourstruly.sx ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.yourstruly.sx [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MVTYl9BY2Yoj for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2014 22:48:02 +0200 (EET) Received: from [206.125.168.66] (laptop.paigeat.info [206.125.168.66]) by mail.yourstruly.sx (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A433A103AE8 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2014 22:48:01 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <546F9076.9040602@yourstruly.sx> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 19:20:22 +0000 From: Paige Thompson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.8.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now References: <546F78D3.90809@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 7a1b8f24-5ef2-4426-9158-6c378f57c115 X-Archives-Hash: 1bb5df7e8442e721ac4dcf3146f93b5c On 11/21/14 18:20, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 12:39 PM, wrote: >> Regardless, the smaller, cheaper embedded linux crowd is very unlikely to >> ever embrace systemd. Why? Glad you asks. Thousands of reasons, but, >> here are a few: It is very common in embedded (anything) to run multiple >> and often different rtos (real time operating system) on different embedded >> systems products, often to circumvent licenses, royalties, duplication, >> security and a plethora of other reasons. Furthermore, many embedded systems >> run simultaneous codes on a single >> core and systemd does not fit into that scheme of things, at all. >> > Embedded is a VERY broad term. I agree that systemd isn't applicable > in all of these cases, but honestly in the cases where it doesn't > apply I don't see something like openrc or even sysvinit being a great > solution. > > For the more PC-like appliance something like systemd is fairly > compelling once it matures, because it is basically a standardized > collection of stuff designed to work together. You could look at it a > bit like busybox in that regard. > > This argument is also a bit like saying that since most embedded > devices don't have high-res displays, X11 and Wayland are dead-end > technologies. > > The reality is that embedded tends to do things differently - it is > related to your typical desktop distro, but not really in pure > competition. > > Look at it another way - the most popular PID 1 on Gentoo-derived > systems isn't even in the main portage repository. I'm speaking of > course of Chromebooks, which run Upstart. > > -- > Rich > I'm actually familiar with android / Qualcomm stuff and QuRT as well as OKL4. Honestly if it meant a substitute for QuRT could be made available to the public I'd say use whatever-- I'll never buy another device until then. Besides, I'm not sure at which point it became okay to buy a $400+ device use it for 6 months and then throw it in the trash and buy another but I won't be a part of that.