From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8EEE138A1C for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2014 18:39:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 83F68E0977; Fri, 21 Nov 2014 18:39:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.yourstruly.sx (mail.yourstruly.sx [206.125.168.70]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BFE3E07E1 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2014 18:39:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.yourstruly.sx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B079103AAC for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2014 22:04:51 +0200 (EET) Authentication-Results: mail.yourstruly.sx (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) reason="pass (just generated, assumed good)" header.d=yourstruly.sx DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=yourstruly.sx; h= content-transfer-encoding:content-type:content-type:in-reply-to :references:subject:subject:mime-version:user-agent:from:from :date:date:message-id:received:received; s=mail; t=1416600288; x=1418414689; bh=fXDSy5mgYxmVoFMhv1r9F+KDAWq+Nxx+t1ouLzstyM0=; b= pelIBlisaL9HQOMeWdkUoR/goBGwOhKX3yGBKcP96nNCqlu+18PlfKsKdfAIML9a qJp2LpblCGQ9HO8iq/RgcJyG6kS/8Bn5nkP0njfzCpVqJKMq/BJhY9u0CpxYgJVV 94TLOiydTdRPyWMgh1T1E/j6RTxCw1daq/1vkBRX2mU= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at yourstruly.sx X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1 tagged_above=-9999 required=5 tests=[ALL_TRUSTED=-1] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.yourstruly.sx ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.yourstruly.sx [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VCDQX21SKWm3 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2014 22:04:48 +0200 (EET) Received: from [206.125.168.66] (laptop.paigeat.info [206.125.168.66]) by mail.yourstruly.sx (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 82B17103AAA for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2014 22:04:46 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <546F8654.8040500@yourstruly.sx> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 18:37:08 +0000 From: Paige Thompson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.8.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now References: <546EE70C.2050506@yourstruly.sx> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archives-Salt: 0e0f919a-3465-4c1e-84d9-f9470326a5f8 X-Archives-Hash: 26a04ad05f6f95596f38854e4859cf8d On 11/21/14 07:32, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 1:17 AM, Paige Thompson wrote: >> I just read an article that says systemd is taking over linux and linux >> is not linux anymore: >> http://blog.lusis.org/blog/2014/11/20/systemd-redux/ > I highly recommend the article John Corbet wrote for LWN a week ago: > > http://lwn.net/Articles/619992/ > > TL;DR, the sky is not falling, let's see how systemd evolves and > succeds, fails, or it's replaced. > >> I kinda have to agree which is partially why I'm not using it. Will >> Gentoo have any plans of forcing its users to move to systemd or will I >> always (such as its always roughly been) have the option of using init >> and openrc as it is now? > As long as there are developers willing and able to support OpenRC in > Gentoo (and it looks like there are), that will be the case. To make > sure that this remains to be true, help them. > > I personally have no reasons currently to >> switch from one to the other. It seems like it might be a great thing if >> you have linux containers. > It's actually a great thing for a lot of use cases. But it doesn't > seem that Gentoo will change defaults soon, although systemd works > great with it. > > Regards. Great article, I should merely point out it's ridiculous that people get so bent out of shape over computer software. It contrasted the transition of devfs to udev well which I can relate to and thought of in my previous response. I was trying to explain I don't really know enough about either systemd or openrc to say whether or not support for one or the other will ever be dropped. My deal is I have everything I want setup, it works and I want to leave it that way. I deal with security problems and updates proactively and on a case-by-case and as-per-needed basis. I'm not looking forward to migrating to systemd if I don't need to but I will if that's what it takes to get back to my real work with the peace of mind that I can still install new software if I choose to and actually be able to use it.