[gentoo-user] Nagios testers wanted

[gentoo-user] Nagios testers wanted

[Michael Orlitzky]

We're collecting more and more Nagios bugs every day, and we've been
stuck on the 3.x series for a while even though upstream has moved to 4.x.

The main problem as far as I can see is that nagios-plugins is a big
mess, and it's hard for any one person to test. (We use it at work, but
there's no ipv6 there, or ldap, or snmp, or game servers...)

I've rewritten the nagios, nagios-core, and nagios-plugins ebuilds, and
will eventually ask permission to commit them to ~arch. That will rip
the band-aid off, so to speak, after which I can work on addressing the
existing bugs. But before I do, I'd like to have a few people test it
and tell me it works.

So if anyone is using nagios, please give these a try.

net-analyzer/nagios and net-analyzer/nagios-core:

  https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=485756

nagios-plugins:

  https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=522946

If you see any problems, just comment on the bug or email me or
whatever. I am actually using these ebuilds, so they won't delete your
system32 or anything. If there are bugs they're likely in one of the
parts I don't use. I'm also pretty sure that most of the open bugs on
b.g.o still apply, but this version at least shouldn't be any worse than
the one in the tree.

[gentoo-user] Re: Nagios testers wanted

[James]

Michael Orlitzky <mjo <at> gentoo.org> writes:


> We're collecting more and more Nagios bugs every day, and we've been
> stuck on the 3.x series for a while even though upstream has moved to 4.x.

> The main problem as far as I can see is that nagios-plugins is a big
> mess, and it's hard for any one person to test. (We use it at work, but
> there's no ipv6 there, or ldap, or snmp, or game servers...)

Um, I'm not up on the results of the Nagios user revolt (fork) from
a few years ago. Maybe if you clarify that recent history more folks
would be interested in Nagios?

> I've rewritten the nagios, nagios-core, and nagios-plugins ebuilds, and
> will eventually ask permission to commit them to ~arch. That will rip
> the band-aid off, so to speak, after which I can work on addressing the
> existing bugs. But before I do, I'd like to have a few people test it
> and tell me it works.

Let's make a deal. Lots of folks are trying to get Nagios running
on Mesos/spark as a cluster based tool. Have your (hacks) efforts
focoused on runnning Nagios on a mesos/spark cluster? My good friend
and dev-in-making Alec has graticiouly put working versions of both
mesos and spark on his git_tub_club collection:

https://github.com/trozamon/overlay/tree/master/sys-cluster

http://caen.github.io/hadoop/user-hadoop.html#spark


> So if anyone is using nagios, please give these a try.

I think the Nagios user community is now splintered (it's been
a while since I looked at Nagios seriously) cause the "main dude"
became such a *F!zt* so that most users left his fiefdom. Has that
changed? Do illuminate the recent history of Nagios, please?

Something in the net-analyzer realm needs to be modified to
run on a cluster. Mesos is the future of clustering, imho.
There are many other cool codes that can run on a cluster
for a killer-attraction-app for gentoo:  Tor, passwd crackers,
video farms, web servers, forensic-analysis, just to name a few.

Personally, I've had excellent results with jffnms, but others
find it limited. If you spend some time illuminating why nagios
is now stable (users happy with devs) then you'd likely attract
some grunts (testers) for your efforts. I sure the cluster community
would greatly appreciate a version of nagios running on mesos.


Nagios and systemd suffer quite a lot from the same disease, imho.
They surely display quite similar symptoms.



hth,
James

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Nagios testers wanted

[Michael Orlitzky]

On 11/05/2014 11:42 AM, James wrote:
> 
> Um, I'm not up on the results of the Nagios user revolt (fork) from
> a few years ago. Maybe if you clarify that recent history more folks
> would be interested in Nagios?

If no one is interested, that's great -- I can push my changes with
reckless abandon =)

I'm not up-to-date either, but Nagios is still in the tree, and we still
use it, so I'd like to clean up a bit.


> Let's make a deal. Lots of folks are trying to get Nagios running
> on Mesos/spark as a cluster based tool. Have your (hacks) efforts
> focoused on runnning Nagios on a mesos/spark cluster?

At the moment I'm just trying to clean up the existing ebuilds so that
we can jump to the newest major version. There are a ton of other things
that need to be fixed, but I'm not going to work on them without a nice
clean starting point.

If the 4.x bump doesn't break existing, working, setups, then hopefully
I can just commit it and start on this list:

  https://bugs.gentoo.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=nagios

Porting it to a cluster (whatever that involves) would come after the
version bump.


> I think the Nagios user community is now splintered (it's been
> a while since I looked at Nagios seriously) cause the "main dude"
> became such a *F!zt* so that most users left his fiefdom. Has that
> changed? Do illuminate the recent history of Nagios, please?
> 

You give me too much credit. I know that it forked into Icinga, but
Nagios is still being developed upstream. We use it as a glorified
`ping` that likes to wake me up at 4am, and it still works just fine for
that, so I haven't worried too much about the politics.

[gentoo-user] Re: Nagios testers wanted

[James]

Michael Orlitzky <mjo <at> gentoo.org> writes:


> that, so I haven't worried too much about the politics.


Us old farts, call that:: wisdom. Surely you are wise.


That said, over the years, the dispostion of the main{}
is everything in a project. Even with projects that lack
coders, but have vision. Sooner or later a "coder" comes
along and cleans things up. But, vision, is indispensable
in all things software, imho.

I certainly appreciate your efforts and your keen insight.


James

[gentoo-user] Re: Nagios testers wanted

[walt]

On 11/05/2014 09:42 AM, James wrote:
> Us old farts, call that:: wisdom

Is that Haskell?

[gentoo-user] Re: Nagios testers wanted

[James]

walt <w41ter <at> gmail.com> writes:

> 
> On 11/05/2014 09:42 AM, James wrote:
> > Us old farts, call that:: wisdom
> 
> Is that Haskell?

Maybe. My new linguas are Scala and R on Spark [1].
And those have me burried alive. My sleep hours have 
me cast in a sparse matrix schema. 
Haskill :: beyond my scope
escape clause :: I'm sticking with it

Besides, Haskill is definately beyound my pay_grade.....

ps (I 

dont do annotation type ::  first date


better?

[1] https://spark.apache.org/  

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Nagios testers wanted

[Alec Ten Harmsel]

On 11/05/2014 11:42 AM, James wrote:
>
> Let's make a deal. Lots of folks are trying to get Nagios running
> on Mesos/spark as a cluster based tool. Have your (hacks) efforts
> focoused on runnning Nagios on a mesos/spark cluster? My good friend
> and dev-in-making Alec has graticiouly put working versions of both
> mesos and spark on his git_tub_club collection:
>
> https://github.com/trozamon/overlay/tree/master/sys-cluster
>
> http://caen.github.io/hadoop/user-hadoop.html#spark
>
>

Disclaimer: None of my ebuilds (especially Spark) are terribly great; at
most they get the job done. The Spark ebuild even uses *gasp* maven.

After this experience, I have a great deal of sympathy for the Java
herd. All of the large projects that rely on the JVM that I've dealt
with (eclipse, hadoop, hive, spark) organize themselves in such a way
that makes them look extremely difficult to package.

Thanks to all the Gentoo developers, actually. I can't imagine how much
time you guys put into this stuff.

Alec

P.S. dev-in-making? haha, I have too many radical ideas to be accepted
as a Gentoo dev. Symptom of being a young 'un, probably. Don't have near
enough experience quite yet.

Re: [gentoo-user] Nagios testers wanted

[J. Roeleveld]

On Tuesday, November 04, 2014 10:15:13 AM Michael Orlitzky wrote:
> We're collecting more and more Nagios bugs every day, and we've been
> stuck on the 3.x series for a while even though upstream has moved to 4.x.

We are?
I'm currently using the stable version myself and it does seem to work.
The web-interface isn't the most useful, but the emails do get send.

> The main problem as far as I can see is that nagios-plugins is a big
> mess, and it's hard for any one person to test. (We use it at work, but
> there's no ipv6 there, or ldap, or snmp, or game servers...)

I use LDAP, no IPv6 yet.
But I don't have a check on the LDAP yet. (If that dies, I get plenty of other 
failures anyway)

> I've rewritten the nagios, nagios-core, and nagios-plugins ebuilds, and
> will eventually ask permission to commit them to ~arch. That will rip
> the band-aid off, so to speak, after which I can work on addressing the
> existing bugs. But before I do, I'd like to have a few people test it
> and tell me it works.
> 
> So if anyone is using nagios, please give these a try.
> 
> net-analyzer/nagios and net-analyzer/nagios-core:
> 
>   https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=485756
> 
> nagios-plugins:
> 
>   https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=522946

I'd love to, but am a bit constrained with time.
Nagios is, for me, not mission-critical. If you do push them to the tree, I 
will check them as they come in. Any bugs I find, I will report along, if 
possible, as much info as possible. (Preferably also patches)

> If you see any problems, just comment on the bug or email me or
> whatever. I am actually using these ebuilds, so they won't delete your
> system32 or anything. If there are bugs they're likely in one of the
> parts I don't use. I'm also pretty sure that most of the open bugs on
> b.g.o still apply, but this version at least shouldn't be any worse than
> the one in the tree.

If it were me, feel free to push them to the tree.

--
Joost