From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BF3A138824 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2014 20:57:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 32235E07F5; Sun, 19 Oct 2014 20:57:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wi0-f182.google.com (mail-wi0-f182.google.com [209.85.212.182]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E82AEE079C for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2014 20:57:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wi0-f182.google.com with SMTP id n3so4786435wiv.15 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2014 13:57:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=GjYlBDC6r8iMVJENbQzqBmKNsusqq8mb1oY8rzgOLp0=; b=xoMiBW6Ftw0jn88lhe02QpGI5rDqxa2ogUOivHVKBMObHWaVUoRQgpBs6Twoowc0gY Oirr2E/dQSavz5xm7FJUAAtF8zPLyzOhOc2I/GghnBQAPfn+1uhXxdUHO2SJcGL9dA8y 6b3bC/cHuJMVSP5V5j3XzpkgxOQPAAaK6QTSrxlAA0i0qDv6UMZ4Gt91dBjwMXsMYZnR u5d/pH5fwXr1EmNiglW0lTwBAxhfvcptCyNe6HpiN1RvZr/mwOVaZwoNv1oOzyD6Hy1k AWZ4Cv9NZwJNGxyy5qxMuce5IzOoboTu1B8cTSp2rhZFQJ3CNwF4SFtoLYw8uM/hqZAH 7etQ== X-Received: by 10.180.88.68 with SMTP id be4mr14953001wib.36.1413752244086; Sun, 19 Oct 2014 13:57:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.20.0.41] (105-237-231-134.access.mtnbusiness.co.za. [105.237.231.134]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id hp2sm9600094wjb.40.2014.10.19.13.57.23 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 19 Oct 2014 13:57:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <544425B0.9010702@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 22:57:20 +0200 From: Alan McKinnon User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gigabyte mobo latency References: <5442DAC8.2030106@thegeezer.net> <5442F17C.7040904@thegeezer.net> <5443A864.2030508@thegeezer.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 3e07e5ad-af98-4f51-9ef3-28abf066b322 X-Archives-Hash: 308cc8ce9192e3d9881cc1840d22e18a On 19/10/2014 22:40, James wrote: > You and the other systemd (herd/project) dudes are wonderful. Right now, > I just like openrc/cgroups/assembler and stories from other old_farts. > You young whipper_snappers should be very glad us old farts still hack > and hang out like we do. Kids might look at him and say "Wow". Older folks > just murmur under their breath that this snot_nosed_kid should have been > bitch_slapped by that idiot Linus. He failure to reign in that looser > cannot be white_washed by anyone; so let's just let this go....... > The more I read about the entire affair the more pissed I get. Relax James, it's all good and the wheel turns. I'm an old fart too, the first computer I ever owned was a Sinclair Mk 14 and I built it by hand from a kit. I've met 3 people who even know what it is :-) Anyway, all the lessons of the past are never truly forgotten, and most of us do know how to pick the right tool for the job. These young whipper-snappers think that cloud is the bestest and most awesomest thing ever, folks over 35 know that this is the THIRD time we've gone through this evolution (had stuff in a "data centre" and now farming it out to a "cloud"). In 5 years from now it will all consolidate and we'll be pulling the cloud back into data centres. It will look different, but the principle will be the same. Like splitting the CPU & GPU, I lose count of the number of times we've done this too (think math co-processors and mainframe front-end controllers and DMA). And so it is with systemd, right now it is the buzz word because it's declarative, easy to maintain and simplifies keeping control of complex systems with gobs and gobs of RAM (RAM is cheap, dev and sysadmin time is very expensive). Embedded: ah, that's another story. RAM is very expensive there and in short supply. If it hasn't already been done, someone will write an init system for constrained embedded devices that has no need of systemd, and it will be better than SysVInit Systemd will never take over the world - as soon as it causes too much pain for someone who doesn't need it, they will find a way to get along without it. And those who do need/want it can still have it. This is just how things work, and you've seen it all play out before :-) -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon@gmail.com