[gentoo-user] has anyone tried KDE5?

[gentoo-user] has anyone tried KDE5?

[behrouz khosravi]

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Hello everyone.
I was wondering if anyone has tried KDE5?
Do you know when it's going to be placed in the main tree?

thanks

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[gentoo-user] Re: has anyone tried KDE5?

[Michael Palimaka]

On 10/04/2014 11:26 PM, behrouz khosravi wrote:
> Hello everyone.
> I was wondering if anyone has tried KDE5?
> Do you know when it's going to be placed in the main tree?
> 
> thanks

Hi,

The KDE release structure has evolved[1], decoupling the release cycle
of the Platform, Workspace, and Applications. This means that there is
no longer a single Software Compilation in the same way there was with
KDE 4.

We (Gentoo KDE team) have not yet made a decision as to when the Plasma
5 Workspace will be pushed to the main tree. I've been using it on a
daily basis for about six months, and consider the next release (5.1.0)
to be a good candidate for the main tree.

The underlying Platform (KDE Frameworks 5) upon which Plasma 5 is built
is expected in the main tree in about a week, after the 5.3.0 release.

Best regards,
Michael

[1]: https://dot.kde.org/2013/09/04/kde-release-structure-evolves

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: has anyone tried KDE5?

[Tanstaafl]

On 10/4/2014 1:37 PM, Michael Palimaka <kensington@gentoo.org> wrote:
> The KDE release structure has evolved[1], decoupling the release cycle
> of the Platform, Workspace, and Applications. This means that there is
> no longer a single Software Compilation in the same way there was with
> KDE 4.

Interesting.

Has this been discussed in detail before? What is the consensus about
this in the gentoo dev world? Meaning - is it a good or bad thing? I've
been  thinking about giving KDE a try again, but still read enough
negative things about it to give me pause (my time is very limited so I
have to pick/choose what I want to spend it on)...

[gentoo-user] Re: has anyone tried KDE5?

[Michael Palimaka]

On 10/06/2014 12:17 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:
> On 10/4/2014 1:37 PM, Michael Palimaka <kensington@gentoo.org> wrote:
>> The KDE release structure has evolved[1], decoupling the release cycle
>> of the Platform, Workspace, and Applications. This means that there is
>> no longer a single Software Compilation in the same way there was with
>> KDE 4.
> 
> Interesting.
> 
> Has this been discussed in detail before? What is the consensus about
> this in the gentoo dev world? Meaning - is it a good or bad thing? I've
> been  thinking about giving KDE a try again, but still read enough
> negative things about it to give me pause (my time is very limited so I
> have to pick/choose what I want to spend it on)...
> 
> 
There's a fair bit of info about it floating around upstream. The
Frameworks split has involved a great deal of cleanup, with a focus on
continuous integration and pushing functionality to Qt where
appropriate. The move from a single monolithic kdelibs to about 60 small
frameworks will also drive adoption of the platform as it substantially
reduces dependency bloat.

As for Gentoo, we're just following upstream. :-) There's many more
ebuilds than before, but packaging is a lot simpler.

Given that it's early days both up and downstream, I wouldn't yet
recommend Plasma 5 on Gentoo for someone that's not at least a little
bit adventurous. I'd be interested to know what KDE negatives you've
experienced/heard in the past though.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: has anyone tried KDE5?

[Tanstaafl]

On 10/5/2014 11:01 AM, Michael Palimaka <kensington@gentoo.org> wrote:
> I'd be interested to know what KDE negatives you've
> experienced/heard in the past though.

Bloat, buggy/unstable ever since the move from KDE3 to KDE4 (and never
really gotten any better over time), etc...

But of course there are always haters too... I'm sure it isn't as bad as
the loudest complainers make it sound...

[gentoo-user] Re: has anyone tried KDE5?

[Michael Palimaka]

On 10/06/2014 02:35 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:
> On 10/5/2014 11:01 AM, Michael Palimaka <kensington@gentoo.org> wrote:
>> I'd be interested to know what KDE negatives you've
>> experienced/heard in the past though.
> 
> Bloat, buggy/unstable ever since the move from KDE3 to KDE4 (and never
> really gotten any better over time), etc...
> 
> But of course there are always haters too... I'm sure it isn't as bad as
> the loudest complainers make it sound...
> 
> 

There were definitely issues in KDE 4 early days but there have been
substantial improvements since then.  Regarding bloat/performance, this
biggest complaints seem to be about nepomuk/baloo. We provide the
semantic-desktop USE flag to provide the option of disabling this
feature wherever it's possible.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: has anyone tried KDE5?

[Alan McKinnon]

On 05/10/2014 17:50, Michael Palimaka wrote:
> On 10/06/2014 02:35 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:
>> On 10/5/2014 11:01 AM, Michael Palimaka <kensington@gentoo.org> wrote:
>>> I'd be interested to know what KDE negatives you've
>>> experienced/heard in the past though.
>>
>> Bloat, buggy/unstable ever since the move from KDE3 to KDE4 (and never
>> really gotten any better over time), etc...
>>
>> But of course there are always haters too... I'm sure it isn't as bad as
>> the loudest complainers make it sound...
>>
>>
> 
> There were definitely issues in KDE 4 early days but there have been
> substantial improvements since then.  Regarding bloat/performance, this
> biggest complaints seem to be about nepomuk/baloo. We provide the
> semantic-desktop USE flag to provide the option of disabling this
> feature wherever it's possible.


People do complain about nepomuk/baloo, but in my opinion it's mostly
unwarranted. The first indexing action did always take a long time (and
so does mlocate) but once that's done, I found it didn't really impact
the system all that much.

My real beef is with akonadi and kdepim. I could never get the damn
thing to actually work or to tell me what it was doing in a manner I
could understand. The last straw was around KDE-4.4 when the importer
managed to destroy my entire mail store and leave me with nothing, so I
switched to claws and several years later switched again to Thunderbird.

I keep reading reports that kdepim is nowadays so much better and
stable, but to be frank I do not trust it, and likely never will. I also
understand this is not entirely logical, but it's just the way it is.

The rest of KDE I find to be very usable and rather pleasant to use. My
sole remaining gripe is lack of stored sessions in dolphin :-)


-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: has anyone tried KDE5?

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

Am 05.10.2014 um 18:27 schrieb Alan McKinnon:
> On 05/10/2014 17:50, Michael Palimaka wrote:
>> On 10/06/2014 02:35 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:
>>> On 10/5/2014 11:01 AM, Michael Palimaka <kensington@gentoo.org> wrote:
>>>> I'd be interested to know what KDE negatives you've
>>>> experienced/heard in the past though.
>>> Bloat, buggy/unstable ever since the move from KDE3 to KDE4 (and never
>>> really gotten any better over time), etc...
>>>
>>> But of course there are always haters too... I'm sure it isn't as bad as
>>> the loudest complainers make it sound...
>>>
>>>
>> There were definitely issues in KDE 4 early days but there have been
>> substantial improvements since then.  Regarding bloat/performance, this
>> biggest complaints seem to be about nepomuk/baloo. We provide the
>> semantic-desktop USE flag to provide the option of disabling this
>> feature wherever it's possible.
>
> People do complain about nepomuk/baloo, but in my opinion it's mostly
> unwarranted. The first indexing action did always take a long time (and
> so does mlocate) but once that's done, I found it didn't really impact
> the system all that much.
>
> My real beef is with akonadi and kdepim. I could never get the damn
> thing to actually work or to tell me what it was doing in a manner I
> could understand. The last straw was around KDE-4.4 when the importer
> managed to destroy my entire mail store and leave me with nothing, so I
> switched to claws and several years later switched again to Thunderbird.

or even better: akonadi eating 10 years and 100 000+ archived emails.
But the gains were there - search became slower, if it worked at all and
all filters broke - several times.

>
> I keep reading reports that kdepim is nowadays so much better and
> stable, but to be frank I do not trust it, and likely never will. I also
> understand this is not entirely logical, but it's just the way it is.

as long as akonadi with its idiotic database backend is around, it will
never be trustworthy.
>
> The rest of KDE I find to be very usable and rather pleasant to use. My
> sole remaining gripe is lack of stored sessions in dolphin :-)
>

My favorite fuckups which are still around:
tumblr can make konqueror hang at 100% cpu for minutes, because of some
javascript - firefox and chromium are fine and dlisted in one tab is
fine, but open one of their articles in a new tab and konqueror just
vanishes. Not even the crash dialog pops up.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: has anyone tried KDE5?

[Alan McKinnon]

On 05/10/2014 18:59, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>> My real beef is with akonadi and kdepim. I could never get the damn
>> > thing to actually work or to tell me what it was doing in a manner I
>> > could understand. The last straw was around KDE-4.4 when the importer
>> > managed to destroy my entire mail store and leave me with nothing, so I
>> > switched to claws and several years later switched again to Thunderbird.
> or even better: akonadi eating 10 years and 100 000+ archived emails.
> But the gains were there - search became slower, if it worked at all and
> all filters broke - several times.


Ever notice how no other pim-like application feels the need to store
everything in mysql or similar? The fact that so many pim-like apps
actually do work should count for something


> 
>> >
>> > I keep reading reports that kdepim is nowadays so much better and
>> > stable, but to be frank I do not trust it, and likely never will. I also
>> > understand this is not entirely logical, but it's just the way it is.
> as long as akonadi with its idiotic database backend is around, it will
> never be trustworthy.
>> >
>> > The rest of KDE I find to be very usable and rather pleasant to use. My
>> > sole remaining gripe is lack of stored sessions in dolphin :-)
>> >
> My favorite fuckups which are still around:
> tumblr can make konqueror hang at 100% cpu for minutes, because of some
> javascript - firefox and chromium are fine and dlisted in one tab is
> fine, but open one of their articles in a new tab and konqueror just
> vanishes. Not even the crash dialog pops up.

I haven't used konqueror as a browser in many many months, I get along
just fine with firefox and chromium. I believe konqueror is essentially
unmaintained these days or at least on life support. Make a fine file
manager though (kparts has always been one of KDE's very much better ideas)




-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: has anyone tried KDE5?

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

Am 05.10.2014 um 19:10 schrieb Alan McKinnon:
> On 05/10/2014 18:59, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>>> My real beef is with akonadi and kdepim. I could never get the damn
>>>> thing to actually work or to tell me what it was doing in a manner I
>>>> could understand. The last straw was around KDE-4.4 when the importer
>>>> managed to destroy my entire mail store and leave me with nothing, so I
>>>> switched to claws and several years later switched again to Thunderbird.
>> or even better: akonadi eating 10 years and 100 000+ archived emails.
>> But the gains were there - search became slower, if it worked at all and
>> all filters broke - several times.
>
> Ever notice how no other pim-like application feels the need to store
> everything in mysql or similar? The fact that so many pim-like apps
> actually do work should count for something
>
>
>>>> I keep reading reports that kdepim is nowadays so much better and
>>>> stable, but to be frank I do not trust it, and likely never will. I also
>>>> understand this is not entirely logical, but it's just the way it is.
>> as long as akonadi with its idiotic database backend is around, it will
>> never be trustworthy.
>>>> The rest of KDE I find to be very usable and rather pleasant to use. My
>>>> sole remaining gripe is lack of stored sessions in dolphin :-)
>>>>
>> My favorite fuckups which are still around:
>> tumblr can make konqueror hang at 100% cpu for minutes, because of some
>> javascript - firefox and chromium are fine and dlisted in one tab is
>> fine, but open one of their articles in a new tab and konqueror just
>> vanishes. Not even the crash dialog pops up.
> I haven't used konqueror as a browser in many many months, I get along
> just fine with firefox and chromium. I believe konqueror is essentially
> unmaintained these days or at least on life support. Make a fine file
> manager though (kparts has always been one of KDE's very much better ideas)
>
>
>
>

konqueror for the usual stuff
firefox for video sites (like youtube)&facebook
chromium for fucking retard sites that make my blood boil. like
*.yahoo.com, tumblr, flickr.

Re: [gentoo-user] has anyone tried KDE5?

[Pavel Volkov]

On Sunday, October 5, 2014 9:10:50 PM MSK, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> I haven't used konqueror as a browser in many many months, I get along
> just fine with firefox and chromium. I believe konqueror is essentially
> unmaintained these days or at least on life support. Make a fine file
> manager though (kparts has always been one of KDE's very much better 
ideas)

I think there was a tendency to replace Konqueror with rekonq in KDE-based 
distros.
Can somebody comment on how rekonq is doing?

Re: [gentoo-user] has anyone tried KDE5?

[Philip Webb]

141007 Pavel Volkov wrote:
> On Sunday, October 5, 2014 9:10:50 PM MSK, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>> I haven't used konqueror as a browser in many many months,
>> I get along just fine with Firefox and Chromium.
>> I believe Konqueror is essentially unmaintained these days
>> or at least on life support. Make a fine file manager though
>> (kparts has always been one of KDE's very much better ideas)
> I think there was a tendency to replace Konqueror with rekonq
> in KDE-based distros.  Can somebody comment on how rekonq is doing?

I dropped Konqueror as an alternative browser recently
after it refused to accept every URL as malformed.
Rekonq is an adequate replacement + Firefox for regular use ;
I also use Lynx when I want text copies of WWW dox.
My window manager is Fluxbox.

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Re: [gentoo-user] has anyone tried KDE5?

[Mick]

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On Tuesday 07 Oct 2014 15:48:33 Philip Webb wrote:
> 141007 Pavel Volkov wrote:
> > On Sunday, October 5, 2014 9:10:50 PM MSK, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> >> I haven't used konqueror as a browser in many many months,
> >> I get along just fine with Firefox and Chromium.
> >> I believe Konqueror is essentially unmaintained these days
> >> or at least on life support. Make a fine file manager though
> >> (kparts has always been one of KDE's very much better ideas)
> > 
> > I think there was a tendency to replace Konqueror with rekonq
> > in KDE-based distros.  Can somebody comment on how rekonq is doing?
> 
> I dropped Konqueror as an alternative browser recently
> after it refused to accept every URL as malformed.
> Rekonq is an adequate replacement + Firefox for regular use ;
> I also use Lynx when I want text copies of WWW dox.
> My window manager is Fluxbox.

I still use Konqueror as file manager, ssh/ftp/webdav client and occasionally 
as an Internet browser.  However, I have set it up to use WebKit as its 
browser engine instead of KHTML.

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Re: [gentoo-user] has anyone tried KDE5?

[Philip Webb]

141007 Mick wrote:
> On Sunday, October 5, 2014 9:10:50 PM MSK, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>> Konqueror ... makes a fine file manager
> I still use Konqueror as file manager ...

I strongly recommend Krusader as file manager,
tho' it has only minimal development support.

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Re: [gentoo-user] has anyone tried KDE5?

[J. Roeleveld]

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On Tuesday, October 07, 2014 04:20:16 PM Mick wrote:
> On Tuesday 07 Oct 2014 15:48:33 Philip Webb wrote:
> > 141007 Pavel Volkov wrote:
> > > On Sunday, October 5, 2014 9:10:50 PM MSK, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > >> I haven't used konqueror as a browser in many many months,
> > >> I get along just fine with Firefox and Chromium.
> > >> I believe Konqueror is essentially unmaintained these days
> > >> or at least on life support. Make a fine file manager though
> > >> (kparts has always been one of KDE's very much better ideas)
> > > 
> > > I think there was a tendency to replace Konqueror with rekonq
> > > in KDE-based distros.  Can somebody comment on how rekonq is 
doing?
> > 
> > I dropped Konqueror as an alternative browser recently
> > after it refused to accept every URL as malformed.
> > Rekonq is an adequate replacement + Firefox for regular use ;
> > I also use Lynx when I want text copies of WWW dox.
> > My window manager is Fluxbox.
> 
> I still use Konqueror as file manager, ssh/ftp/webdav client and
> occasionally as an Internet browser.  However, I have set it up to use
> WebKit as its browser engine instead of KHTML.

Why not use Dolphin as file manager?

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Re: [gentoo-user] has anyone tried KDE5?

[Daniel Frey]

On 10/07/2014 11:26 AM, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> 
> Why not use Dolphin as file manager?
> 

Dolphin is pretty buggy. I've found a few and one repeats itself
frequently. I'm pretty sure I found an existing bug for the issue, but
it's been happening to me since 4.0.

(When viewing things in tree view and you expand a folder, Dolphin
randomly decides to select everything from the top of the tree to where
you clicked to expand the folder. I still don't know what causes it as
it happens intermittently. It sure is annoying though.)

Dan

Re: [gentoo-user] has anyone tried KDE5?

[J. Roeleveld]

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On Tuesday, October 07, 2014 12:20:27 PM Daniel Frey wrote:
> On 10/07/2014 11:26 AM, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> > Why not use Dolphin as file manager?
> 
> Dolphin is pretty buggy. I've found a few and one repeats itself
> frequently. I'm pretty sure I found an existing bug for the issue, but
> it's been happening to me since 4.0.
> 
> (When viewing things in tree view and you expand a folder, Dolphin
> randomly decides to select everything from the top of the tree to where
> you clicked to expand the folder. I still don't know what causes it as
> it happens intermittently. It sure is annoying though.)

Are you talking about the behaviour when you actually click on the 
foldername, instead of the " > " ?
If yes, then that is as designed.

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Re: [gentoo-user] has anyone tried KDE5?

[Daniel Frey]

On 10/07/2014 09:42 PM, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> Are you talking about the behaviour when you actually click on the
> foldername, instead of the " > " ?
> 
> If yes, then that is as designed.
> 

No, I'm clicking on the " > ". Sometimes I've expanded folders three to
four levels deep and so it selects completely unrelated folders and
files, as it selects everything from where I've clicked to the top of
the list.

It's really annoying, do you know if that "feature" be turned off?

Dan

Re: [gentoo-user] has anyone tried KDE5?

[J. Roeleveld]

On Wednesday, October 08, 2014 08:32:53 PM Daniel Frey wrote:
> On 10/07/2014 09:42 PM, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> > Are you talking about the behaviour when you actually click on the
> > foldername, instead of the " > " ?
> > 
> > If yes, then that is as designed.
> 
> No, I'm clicking on the " > ". Sometimes I've expanded folders three to
> four levels deep and so it selects completely unrelated folders and
> files, as it selects everything from where I've clicked to the top of
> the list.
> 
> It's really annoying, do you know if that "feature" be turned off?
> 
> Dan

What do you mean with "select"
Do all the entries become selected (marked) ready for delete/copy/...?

I have seen this behaviour in a lot of different programs (also on MS Windows). 
Usually caused by some key-combination which is accidentally pressed and 
forces the shift-key to be "locked".

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Re: [gentoo-user] has anyone tried KDE5?

[Daniel Frey]

On 10/13/2014 10:50 PM, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> 
> What do you mean with "select"
> Do all the entries become selected (marked) ready for delete/copy/...?

Yes. It's been doing this since I upgraded to KDE4 with Dolphin. KDE3
was perfectly fine.

> I have seen this behaviour in a lot of different programs (also on MS Windows). 
> Usually caused by some key-combination which is accidentally pressed and 
> forces the shift-key to be "locked".

I thought that but it isn't the case. I am using this particular install
through spawning VNC sessions on my server. As I said, KDE3 did not have
this issue at all (used with the exact same VNC setup), nor does it
present itself in apps other than Dolphin.

Strange, huh?

Dan

Re: [gentoo-user] has anyone tried KDE5?

[Alan McKinnon]

On 14/10/2014 21:22, Daniel Frey wrote:
> On 10/13/2014 10:50 PM, J. Roeleveld wrote:
>>
>> What do you mean with "select"
>> Do all the entries become selected (marked) ready for delete/copy/...?
> 
> Yes. It's been doing this since I upgraded to KDE4 with Dolphin. KDE3
> was perfectly fine.
> 
>> I have seen this behaviour in a lot of different programs (also on MS Windows). 
>> Usually caused by some key-combination which is accidentally pressed and 
>> forces the shift-key to be "locked".
> 
> I thought that but it isn't the case. I am using this particular install
> through spawning VNC sessions on my server. As I said, KDE3 did not have
> this issue at all (used with the exact same VNC setup), nor does it
> present itself in apps other than Dolphin.
> 
> Strange, huh?


Not really strange - I got something similar with dolphin too.

I use NFS mounts in dolphin a lot (not using the built-in nfs kpart,
it's a traditional mount). Double clicking through on folder names would
often select everything from where the cursor landed to the top of what
is shown in the dolphin window. F5 refresh, or Alt-left and Alt-right
wouldn't change anything (I assume some caching is involved). But,
clicking away from the current pane to some other folder outside the nfs
mount, then re-navigating back to it would make the issue go away.

I keep this ~amd64 system quite current (update twice weekly or so) and
haven't run into this again for about 6 weeks now. Looks like someone
fixed something, in whole or in part.


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Re: [gentoo-user] has anyone tried KDE5?

[Daniel Frey]

On 10/14/2014 01:16 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> 
> Not really strange - I got something similar with dolphin too.
> 
> I use NFS mounts in dolphin a lot (not using the built-in nfs kpart,
> it's a traditional mount). Double clicking through on folder names would
> often select everything from where the cursor landed to the top of what
> is shown in the dolphin window. F5 refresh, or Alt-left and Alt-right
> wouldn't change anything (I assume some caching is involved). But,
> clicking away from the current pane to some other folder outside the nfs
> mount, then re-navigating back to it would make the issue go away.

This is exactly the issue I have but it isn't with an NFS mount, it's
with a mount to my raid device (actual full 3ware RAID card, not a
fakeraid.)

> 
> I keep this ~amd64 system quite current (update twice weekly or so) and
> haven't run into this again for about 6 weeks now. Looks like someone
> fixed something, in whole or in part.
> 
> 

I don't update that often, generally once a month I update. Maybe sooner
than that, but not once a week. I usually exclude mythtv until I have
enough time to upgrade the backend and all frontends at the same time,
but I am going to have to do a full update including mythtv really soon
as Tribune (and as such, schedulesdirect) do not offer the old XML TV
listings as of November 1. Sigh...

That aside, when I do this major update on all of my PCs maybe the issue
will finally go away.

Dan

Re: [gentoo-user] has anyone tried KDE5?

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 20:26:42 +0200, J. Roeleveld wrote:

> > I still use Konqueror as file manager, ssh/ftp/webdav client and
> > occasionally as an Internet browser.  However, I have set it up to use
> > WebKit as its browser engine instead of KHTML.  
> 
> Why not use Dolphin as file manager?

Because neither it nor Krusader is anywhere near as flexible. I still
consider the introduction of Dolphin to be a major backwards step of KDE4.


-- 
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Money can't buy happiness. But it sure makes misery easier to live with.

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Re: [gentoo-user] has anyone tried KDE5?

[Mick]

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On Tuesday 07 Oct 2014 21:18:04 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 20:26:42 +0200, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> > > I still use Konqueror as file manager, ssh/ftp/webdav client and
> > > occasionally as an Internet browser.  However, I have set it up to use
> > > WebKit as its browser engine instead of KHTML.
> > 
> > Why not use Dolphin as file manager?
> 
> Because neither it nor Krusader is anywhere near as flexible. I still
> consider the introduction of Dolphin to be a major backwards step of KDE4.

I agree with Neil.  I can't really see what Dolphin offers that Konqueror 
didn't already have.  Of course, with KDE4 you *have* to install Dolphin to 
get Konqueror to do what it always did.  No point in me dissing KDE4 devs for 
they inspired executive decisions (pissing many of their existing user base 
off and not really attracting any new punters along) because others have 
already covered this admirably, but you get the gist.
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Re: [gentoo-user] has anyone tried KDE5?

[Pavel Volkov]

On Wednesday, October 8, 2014 1:32:48 AM MSK, Mick wrote:
> I agree with Neil.  I can't really see what Dolphin offers that Konqueror 
> didn't already have.  

It has Git and Mercurial plugins and split view.
Not that I actively use those features but Dolphin seems to be more 
responsive anyway.
For tasks like re-organizing home directory (sorting large quantity of 
files) both are inconvenient, I use Krusader for such things.

Re: [gentoo-user] has anyone tried KDE5?

[J. Roeleveld]

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On Wednesday, October 08, 2014 10:45:47 AM Pavel Volkov wrote:
> On Wednesday, October 8, 2014 1:32:48 AM MSK, Mick wrote:
> > I agree with Neil.  I can't really see what Dolphin offers that Konqueror
> > didn't already have.
> 
> It has Git and Mercurial plugins and split view.
> Not that I actively use those features but Dolphin seems to be more
> responsive anyway.
> For tasks like re-organizing home directory (sorting large quantity of
> files) both are inconvenient, I use Krusader for such things.

I tend to use a combination of Dolphin and MC (console-based)

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Re: [gentoo-user] has anyone tried KDE5?

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 10:45:47 +0400, Pavel Volkov wrote:

> > I agree with Neil.  I can't really see what Dolphin offers that
> > Konqueror didn't already have.    
> 
> It has Git and Mercurial plugins and split view.
> Not that I actively use those features but Dolphin seems to be more 
> responsive anyway.

If those are implemented using KParts, they will be available to
Konqueror in file manager mode too.


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Re: [gentoo-user] has anyone tried KDE5?

[J. Roeleveld]

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On Tuesday, October 07, 2014 09:18:04 PM Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 20:26:42 +0200, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> > > I still use Konqueror as file manager, ssh/ftp/webdav client and
> > > occasionally as an Internet browser.  However, I have set it up to 
use
> > > WebKit as its browser engine instead of KHTML.
> > 
> > Why not use Dolphin as file manager?
> 
> Because neither it nor Krusader is anywhere near as flexible. I still
> consider the introduction of Dolphin to be a major backwards step of 
KDE4.

I think that's personal preference.
I like Dolphin as it allows me to quickly switch to network shares (of 
different types) from the left of the window.

Konqueror only shows the files and folders, not the "Places". And I haven't 
found an option to add those (or something similar)

How do I configure Konqueror to give me a similar view?

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Re: [gentoo-user] has anyone tried KDE5?

[Mick]

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On Wednesday 08 Oct 2014 05:46:40 J. Roeleveld wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 07, 2014 09:18:04 PM Neil Bothwick wrote:
> > On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 20:26:42 +0200, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> > > > I still use Konqueror as file manager, ssh/ftp/webdav client and
> > > > occasionally as an Internet browser.  However, I have set it up to
> 
> use
> 
> > > > WebKit as its browser engine instead of KHTML.
> > > 
> > > Why not use Dolphin as file manager?
> > 
> > Because neither it nor Krusader is anywhere near as flexible. I still
> > consider the introduction of Dolphin to be a major backwards step of
> 
> KDE4.
> 
> I think that's personal preference.
> I like Dolphin as it allows me to quickly switch to network shares (of
> different types) from the left of the window.
> 
> Konqueror only shows the files and folders, not the "Places". And I haven't
> found an option to add those (or something similar)
> 
> How do I configure Konqueror to give me a similar view?
> 
> --
> Joost

Do you mean:

F9 to Show Sidebar, then right click on it, Configure/Add New/Places Sidebar 
Module?

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Re: [gentoo-user] has anyone tried KDE5?

[J. Roeleveld]

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On Wednesday, October 08, 2014 06:29:13 AM Mick wrote:
> On Wednesday 08 Oct 2014 05:46:40 J. Roeleveld wrote:
> > On Tuesday, October 07, 2014 09:18:04 PM Neil Bothwick wrote:
> > > On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 20:26:42 +0200, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> > > > > I still use Konqueror as file manager, ssh/ftp/webdav client and
> > > > > occasionally as an Internet browser.  However, I have set it up 
to
> > 
> > use
> > 
> > > > > WebKit as its browser engine instead of KHTML.
> > > > 
> > > > Why not use Dolphin as file manager?
> > > 
> > > Because neither it nor Krusader is anywhere near as flexible. I still
> > > consider the introduction of Dolphin to be a major backwards step 
of
> > 
> > KDE4.
> > 
> > I think that's personal preference.
> > I like Dolphin as it allows me to quickly switch to network shares (of
> > different types) from the left of the window.
> > 
> > Konqueror only shows the files and folders, not the "Places". And I
> > haven't
> > found an option to add those (or something similar)
> > 
> > How do I configure Konqueror to give me a similar view?
> > 
> > --
> > Joost
> 
> Do you mean:
> 
> F9 to Show Sidebar, then right click on it, Configure/Add New/Places 
Sidebar
> Module?

Yes, but I miss the quick overview.
With the file-indexing of semantic desktop enabled, I also get the history 
and quick searches for filetypes.

It does help with a lot of files.

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Re: [gentoo-user] has anyone tried KDE5?

[Francisco Ares]

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2014-10-07 12:20 GMT-03:00 Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com>:

> On Tuesday 07 Oct 2014 15:48:33 Philip Webb wrote:
> > 141007 Pavel Volkov wrote:
> > > On Sunday, October 5, 2014 9:10:50 PM MSK, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > >> I haven't used konqueror as a browser in many many months,
> > >> I get along just fine with Firefox and Chromium.
> > >> I believe Konqueror is essentially unmaintained these days
> > >> or at least on life support. Make a fine file manager though
> > >> (kparts has always been one of KDE's very much better ideas)
> > >
> > > I think there was a tendency to replace Konqueror with rekonq
> > > in KDE-based distros.  Can somebody comment on how rekonq is doing?
> >
> > I dropped Konqueror as an alternative browser recently
> > after it refused to accept every URL as malformed.
> > Rekonq is an adequate replacement + Firefox for regular use ;
> > I also use Lynx when I want text copies of WWW dox.
> > My window manager is Fluxbox.
>
> I still use Konqueror as file manager, ssh/ftp/webdav client and
> occasionally
> as an Internet browser.  However, I have set it up to use WebKit as its
> browser engine instead of KHTML.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Mick
>


Hi,

How did you manage to get WebKit instead of KHTML?  On my version, I can
only see the last.

Thanks, and Best Regards,
Francisco

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Re: [gentoo-user] has anyone tried KDE5?

[Alan McKinnon]

On 09/10/2014 19:44, Francisco Ares wrote:
> 
> 2014-10-07 12:20 GMT-03:00 Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com
> <mailto:michaelkintzios@gmail.com>>:
> 
>     On Tuesday 07 Oct 2014 15:48:33 Philip Webb wrote:
>     > 141007 Pavel Volkov wrote:
>     > > On Sunday, October 5, 2014 9:10:50 PM MSK, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>     > >> I haven't used konqueror as a browser in many many months,
>     > >> I get along just fine with Firefox and Chromium.
>     > >> I believe Konqueror is essentially unmaintained these days
>     > >> or at least on life support. Make a fine file manager though
>     > >> (kparts has always been one of KDE's very much better ideas)
>     > >
>     > > I think there was a tendency to replace Konqueror with rekonq
>     > > in KDE-based distros.  Can somebody comment on how rekonq is doing?
>     >
>     > I dropped Konqueror as an alternative browser recently
>     > after it refused to accept every URL as malformed.
>     > Rekonq is an adequate replacement + Firefox for regular use ;
>     > I also use Lynx when I want text copies of WWW dox.
>     > My window manager is Fluxbox.
> 
>     I still use Konqueror as file manager, ssh/ftp/webdav client and
>     occasionally
>     as an Internet browser.  However, I have set it up to use WebKit as its
>     browser engine instead of KHTML.
> 
>     --
>     Regards,
>     Mick
> 
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> How did you manage to get WebKit instead of KHTML?  On my version, I can
> only see the last.
> 
> Thanks, and Best Regards,
> Francisco


I set this up so long ago I forget exactly how I did it. IIRC it's as
simple as

emerge kde-misc/kwebkitpart
konqueror menu -> View -> View Mode

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Re: [gentoo-user] has anyone tried KDE5?

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

Am 09.10.2014 um 21:38 schrieb Alan McKinnon:
> On 09/10/2014 19:44, Francisco Ares wrote:
>> 2014-10-07 12:20 GMT-03:00 Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com
>> <mailto:michaelkintzios@gmail.com>>:
>>
>>     On Tuesday 07 Oct 2014 15:48:33 Philip Webb wrote:
>>     > 141007 Pavel Volkov wrote:
>>     > > On Sunday, October 5, 2014 9:10:50 PM MSK, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>>     > >> I haven't used konqueror as a browser in many many months,
>>     > >> I get along just fine with Firefox and Chromium.
>>     > >> I believe Konqueror is essentially unmaintained these days
>>     > >> or at least on life support. Make a fine file manager though
>>     > >> (kparts has always been one of KDE's very much better ideas)
>>     > >
>>     > > I think there was a tendency to replace Konqueror with rekonq
>>     > > in KDE-based distros.  Can somebody comment on how rekonq is doing?
>>     >
>>     > I dropped Konqueror as an alternative browser recently
>>     > after it refused to accept every URL as malformed.
>>     > Rekonq is an adequate replacement + Firefox for regular use ;
>>     > I also use Lynx when I want text copies of WWW dox.
>>     > My window manager is Fluxbox.
>>
>>     I still use Konqueror as file manager, ssh/ftp/webdav client and
>>     occasionally
>>     as an Internet browser.  However, I have set it up to use WebKit as its
>>     browser engine instead of KHTML.
>>
>>     --
>>     Regards,
>>     Mick
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> How did you manage to get WebKit instead of KHTML?  On my version, I can
>> only see the last.
>>
>> Thanks, and Best Regards,
>> Francisco
>
> I set this up so long ago I forget exactly how I did it. IIRC it's as
> simple as
>
> emerge kde-misc/kwebkitpart
> konqueror menu -> View -> View Mode
>
last time I tried webkit it broke websites in interessting ways.

Re: [gentoo-user] has anyone tried KDE5?

[Mick]

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On Thursday 09 Oct 2014 21:01:02 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> Am 09.10.2014 um 21:38 schrieb Alan McKinnon:
> > On 09/10/2014 19:44, Francisco Ares wrote:
> >> 2014-10-07 12:20 GMT-03:00 Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com
> >> 
> >> <mailto:michaelkintzios@gmail.com>>:
> >>     On Tuesday 07 Oct 2014 15:48:33 Philip Webb wrote:
> >>     > 141007 Pavel Volkov wrote:
> >>     > > On Sunday, October 5, 2014 9:10:50 PM MSK, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> >>     > >> I haven't used konqueror as a browser in many many months,
> >>     > >> I get along just fine with Firefox and Chromium.
> >>     > >> I believe Konqueror is essentially unmaintained these days
> >>     > >> or at least on life support. Make a fine file manager though
> >>     > >> (kparts has always been one of KDE's very much better ideas)
> >>     > > 
> >>     > > I think there was a tendency to replace Konqueror with rekonq
> >>     > > in KDE-based distros.  Can somebody comment on how rekonq is
> >>     > > doing?
> >>     > 
> >>     > I dropped Konqueror as an alternative browser recently
> >>     > after it refused to accept every URL as malformed.
> >>     > Rekonq is an adequate replacement + Firefox for regular use ;
> >>     > I also use Lynx when I want text copies of WWW dox.
> >>     > My window manager is Fluxbox.
> >>     
> >>     I still use Konqueror as file manager, ssh/ftp/webdav client and
> >>     occasionally
> >>     as an Internet browser.  However, I have set it up to use WebKit as
> >>     its browser engine instead of KHTML.
> >>     
> >>     --
> >>     Regards,
> >>     Mick
> >> 
> >> Hi,
> >> 
> >> How did you manage to get WebKit instead of KHTML?  On my version, I can
> >> only see the last.
> >> 
> >> Thanks, and Best Regards,
> >> Francisco
> > 
> > I set this up so long ago I forget exactly how I did it. IIRC it's as
> > simple as
> > 
> > emerge kde-misc/kwebkitpart
> > konqueror menu -> View -> View Mode
> 
> last time I tried webkit it broke websites in interessting ways.

Yes, it is not a panacea.  Some websites cause Konqueror to crash.  It just 
crashes less often than when I use KHTML.  :-)

I thought I had USE=webkit enabled somewhere and that's what brought it in, 
but now I see that it isn't set:

[-      ] webkit
    kde-base/kget: Enable KdeWebkit browser plugin using 
    kde-misc/kwebkitpart
        [-  ] (4/4.12) 4.12.5 [gentoo]
        [-  ] (4/4.13) 4.13.3 [gentoo]
        [-  ] (4/4.14) 4.14.0 [gentoo]
        [-  ] (4/4.14) 4.14.1 [gentoo]

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: has anyone tried KDE5?

[Jens Reinemuth]

Am Sonntag, 5. Oktober 2014, 18:59:31 schrieb Volker Armin Hemmann:
> Am 05.10.2014 um 18:27 schrieb Alan McKinnon:
> > On 05/10/2014 17:50, Michael Palimaka wrote:ystem all that much.
> > 
> > My real beef is with akonadi and kdepim. I could never get the damn
> > thing to actually work or to tell me what it was doing in a manner I
> > could understand. The last straw was around KDE-4.4 when the importer
> > managed to destroy my entire mail store and leave me with nothing, so I
> > switched to claws and several years later switched again to Thunderbird.
> 
> or even better: akonadi eating 10 years and 100 000+ archived emails.
> But the gains were there - search became slower, if it worked at all and
> all filters broke - several times.
> 

I can't really count how many times i simply deleted all the .config/akonadi 
and .local/akonadi stuff - and let akonadi regenerate it, simply because i 
deeply believed in the whole crap getting better! It never got better... 

Currently i can live with all that stuff, simply by disabling all nepomuk- and 
akonadi-stuff and waiting for it to show all my mails again... 

Funny: My wife has a second account with exactly the same settings and is 
deeply annoyed by the permanent popups telling her that the balloo-indexer has 
closed... Indeed she has disabled it!!! So i have to kill that shit every 
time!

Most annoying story in the last time: KdePIM 4.10 simply stopped working with 
my private Courier-IMAP-Server, telling everyone, that courier has a bug... 
Ok, maybe, but it worked since every Version and just stopped because one ore 
more developers simply decided to do things "right"!!!

No Problem in Gentoo, simply mask and downgrade kdepim-meta... I had more 
problems at work with Kubuntu! With KDE4.10.1 everything works as expected...

But this is just a gnome-like-behavior... The developers simply don't really 
care what the users want or need... i really never heard of anybody saying: Oh 
that search stuff is cool! I use it regularily! 

And to go deeper: Why don't they store documents in a database, that is better 
optimized for documents... MongoDB? CouchDB? Instead they use this shitty 
mixture of MySQL and Virtuoso!? WTF? 



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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: has anyone tried KDE5?

[Mick]

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On Monday 06 Oct 2014 16:44:57 Jens Reinemuth wrote:
> Am Sonntag, 5. Oktober 2014, 18:59:31 schrieb Volker Armin Hemmann:
> > Am 05.10.2014 um 18:27 schrieb Alan McKinnon:
> > > On 05/10/2014 17:50, Michael Palimaka wrote:ystem all that much.
> > > 
> > > My real beef is with akonadi and kdepim. I could never get the damn
> > > thing to actually work or to tell me what it was doing in a manner I
> > > could understand. The last straw was around KDE-4.4 when the importer
> > > managed to destroy my entire mail store and leave me with nothing, so I
> > > switched to claws and several years later switched again to
> > > Thunderbird.
> > 
> > or even better: akonadi eating 10 years and 100 000+ archived emails.
> > But the gains were there - search became slower, if it worked at all and
> > all filters broke - several times.
> 
> I can't really count how many times i simply deleted all the
> .config/akonadi and .local/akonadi stuff - and let akonadi regenerate it,
> simply because i deeply believed in the whole crap getting better! It
> never got better...
> 
> Currently i can live with all that stuff, simply by disabling all nepomuk-
> and akonadi-stuff and waiting for it to show all my mails again...
> 
> Funny: My wife has a second account with exactly the same settings and is
> deeply annoyed by the permanent popups telling her that the balloo-indexer
> has closed... Indeed she has disabled it!!! So i have to kill that shit
> every time!
> 
> Most annoying story in the last time: KdePIM 4.10 simply stopped working
> with my private Courier-IMAP-Server, telling everyone, that courier has a
> bug... Ok, maybe, but it worked since every Version and just stopped
> because one ore more developers simply decided to do things "right"!!!
> 
> No Problem in Gentoo, simply mask and downgrade kdepim-meta... I had more
> problems at work with Kubuntu! With KDE4.10.1 everything works as
> expected...
> 
> But this is just a gnome-like-behavior... The developers simply don't
> really care what the users want or need... i really never heard of anybody
> saying: Oh that search stuff is cool! I use it regularily!
> 
> And to go deeper: Why don't they store documents in a database, that is
> better optimized for documents... MongoDB? CouchDB? Instead they use this
> shitty mixture of MySQL and Virtuoso!? WTF?


No, no, no!  What they should do is use Microsoft's Sharepoint server 
solution, which stores documents in the MS SQL as binary blobs ... millions of 
corporate users can't be wrong!  O_o

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: has anyone tried KDE5?

[J. Roeleveld]

On 6 October 2014 23:47:51 CEST, Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Monday 06 Oct 2014 16:44:57 Jens Reinemuth wrote:
>> Am Sonntag, 5. Oktober 2014, 18:59:31 schrieb Volker Armin Hemmann:
>> > Am 05.10.2014 um 18:27 schrieb Alan McKinnon:
>> > > On 05/10/2014 17:50, Michael Palimaka wrote:ystem all that much.
>> > > 
>> > > My real beef is with akonadi and kdepim. I could never get the
>damn
>> > > thing to actually work or to tell me what it was doing in a
>manner I
>> > > could understand. The last straw was around KDE-4.4 when the
>importer
>> > > managed to destroy my entire mail store and leave me with
>nothing, so I
>> > > switched to claws and several years later switched again to
>> > > Thunderbird.
>> > 
>> > or even better: akonadi eating 10 years and 100 000+ archived
>emails.
>> > But the gains were there - search became slower, if it worked at
>all and
>> > all filters broke - several times.
>> 
>> I can't really count how many times i simply deleted all the
>> .config/akonadi and .local/akonadi stuff - and let akonadi regenerate
>it,
>> simply because i deeply believed in the whole crap getting better! It
>> never got better...
>> 
>> Currently i can live with all that stuff, simply by disabling all
>nepomuk-
>> and akonadi-stuff and waiting for it to show all my mails again...
>> 
>> Funny: My wife has a second account with exactly the same settings
>and is
>> deeply annoyed by the permanent popups telling her that the
>balloo-indexer
>> has closed... Indeed she has disabled it!!! So i have to kill that
>shit
>> every time!
>> 
>> Most annoying story in the last time: KdePIM 4.10 simply stopped
>working
>> with my private Courier-IMAP-Server, telling everyone, that courier
>has a
>> bug... Ok, maybe, but it worked since every Version and just stopped
>> because one ore more developers simply decided to do things
>"right"!!!
>> 
>> No Problem in Gentoo, simply mask and downgrade kdepim-meta... I had
>more
>> problems at work with Kubuntu! With KDE4.10.1 everything works as
>> expected...
>> 
>> But this is just a gnome-like-behavior... The developers simply don't
>> really care what the users want or need... i really never heard of
>anybody
>> saying: Oh that search stuff is cool! I use it regularily!
>> 
>> And to go deeper: Why don't they store documents in a database, that
>is
>> better optimized for documents... MongoDB? CouchDB? Instead they use
>this
>> shitty mixture of MySQL and Virtuoso!? WTF?
>
>
>No, no, no!  What they should do is use Microsoft's Sharepoint server 
>solution, which stores documents in the MS SQL as binary blobs ...
>millions of 
>corporate users can't be wrong!  O_o

Please don't tell them!

At one of my customers they use Sharepoint as a CVS for sourcecode....

I keep having to merge changes manually....

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: has anyone tried KDE5?

[Jens Reinemuth]

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Am Montag, 6. Oktober 2014, 22:47:51 schrieb Mick:
> On Monday 06 Oct 2014 16:44:57 Jens Reinemuth wrote:
> > 
> > And to go deeper: Why don't they store documents in a database, that is
> > better optimized for documents... MongoDB? CouchDB? Instead they use this
> > shitty mixture of MySQL and Virtuoso!? WTF?
> 
> 
> No, no, no!  What they should do is use Microsoft's Sharepoint server 
> solution, which stores documents in the MS SQL as binary blobs ... millions of 
> corporate users can't be wrong!  O_o
> 

Great idea... ;-) I really can't understand why anyone would use a database as file-storage!? 

But to be real: Why not use anything for akonadi/nepomuk that ist really optimized for the purpose... Why not Solr or Elasticsearch... I mean: Nobody really ever uses that crap for anything else than doing fulltext-search! As far as i remember, even that purpose wasn't really very well done! Elasticsearch with some indexers that push a plaintextversion of nearly every document-format into the index and you will enjoy searches in millions of documents in nearly "no time"... Using some tags and categories, you will have the perfect semantic experience! 




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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; And to go deeper: Why don't they store documents in a database, that is</p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; better optimized for documents... MongoDB? CouchDB? Instead they use this</p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; shitty mixture of MySQL and Virtuoso!? WTF?</p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; No, no, no!  What they should do is use Microsoft's Sharepoint server </p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; solution, which stores documents in the MS SQL as binary blobs ... millions of </p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; corporate users can't be wrong!  O_o</p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px;">Great idea... ;-) I really can't understand why anyone would use a database as file-storage!? </p>
<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px;">But to be real: Why not use anything for akonadi/nepomuk that ist really optimized for the purpose... Why not Solr or Elasticsearch... I mean: Nobody really ever uses that crap for anything else than doing fulltext-search! As far as i remember, even that purpose wasn't really very well done! Elasticsearch with some indexers that push a plaintextversion of nearly every document-format into the index and you will enjoy searches in millions of documents in nearly &quot;no time&quot;... Using some tags and categories, you will have the perfect semantic experience! </p>
<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px;"><br />-- </p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">jens reinemuth </p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px;">leonhard-eckel-siedlung 4a</p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px;">d-67483 edesheim</p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px;">mobil:  +49.176.63613420</p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px;">mail:   jens@reinemuth.info</p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px;">jabber: jens@jabber.reinemuth.info</p>
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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px;">scribline, n.:</p>
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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px;">		-- &quot;Sniglets&quot;, Rich Hall &amp; Friends</p>
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Am Montag, 6. Oktober 2014, 22:47:51 schrieb Mick:
> On Monday 06 Oct 2014 16:44:57 Jens Reinemuth wrote:
> > 
> > And to go deeper: Why don't they store documents in a database, that is
> > better optimized for documents... MongoDB? CouchDB? Instead they use this
> > shitty mixture of MySQL and Virtuoso!? WTF?
> 
> 
> No, no, no!  What they should do is use Microsoft's Sharepoint server 
> solution, which stores documents in the MS SQL as binary blobs ... millions of 
> corporate users can't be wrong!  O_o
> 

Great idea... ;-) I really can't understand why anyone would use a database as file-storage!? 

But to be real: Why not use anything for akonadi/nepomuk that ist really optimized for the purpose... Why not Solr or Elasticsearch... I mean: Nobody really ever uses that crap for anything else than doing fulltext-search! As far as i remember, even that purpose wasn't really very well done! Elasticsearch with some indexers that push a plaintextversion of nearly every document-format into the index and you will enjoy searches in millions of documents in nearly "no time"... Using some tags and categories, you will have the perfect semantic experience! 




jens reinemuth 
leonhard-eckel-siedlung 4a
d-67483 edesheim
mobil:  +49.176.63613420
mail:   jens@reinemuth.info
jabber: jens@jabber.reinemuth.info
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	The blank area on the back of credit cards where one's signature goes.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: has anyone tried KDE5?

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

Am 04.10.2014 um 19:37 schrieb Michael Palimaka:
> On 10/04/2014 11:26 PM, behrouz khosravi wrote:
>> Hello everyone.
>> I was wondering if anyone has tried KDE5?
>> Do you know when it's going to be placed in the main tree?
>>
>> thanks
> Hi,
>
> The KDE release structure has evolved[1], decoupling the release cycle
> of the Platform, Workspace, and Applications. This means that there is
> no longer a single Software Compilation in the same way there was with
> KDE 4.
>
> We (Gentoo KDE team) have not yet made a decision as to when the Plasma
> 5 Workspace will be pushed to the main tree. I've been using it on a
> daily basis for about six months, and consider the next release (5.1.0)
> to be a good candidate for the main tree.
>
> The underlying Platform (KDE Frameworks 5) upon which Plasma 5 is built
> is expected in the main tree in about a week, after the 5.3.0 release.
>
> Best regards,
> Michael
>
> [1]: https://dot.kde.org/2013/09/04/kde-release-structure-evolves
>
>
>

ok, at the moment you can't even install this mess:

merge: there are no ebuilds built with USE flags to satisfy
">=dev-qt/qtwebkit-5.3.2:5[debug=,widgets]".
!!! One of the following packages is required to complete your request:
- dev-qt/qtwebkit-5.3.2-r1::gentoo (Missing IUSE: widgets)
(dependency required by "dev-qt/qtquick1-5.3.2" [ebuild])
(dependency required by "kde-frameworks/plasma-5.2.0::kde" [ebuild])
(dependency required by "@kde-frameworks-5.2" [argument])

yepp, three ebuilds depending on qtwebkit with the widgets useflag -
that it doesn't even have. Oh joy. And that after 2h+ dealing with other
useflag related shenanigans.

btw from the changelog:

  25 Sep 2014; Michael Palimaka <kensington@gentoo.org> metadata.xml:
  Remove unused USE flag.

that unused useflag wasn't 'widgets' by chance? ^^

[gentoo-user] Re: has anyone tried KDE5?

[Michael Palimaka]

On 10/06/2014 05:34 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> Am 04.10.2014 um 19:37 schrieb Michael Palimaka:
>> On 10/04/2014 11:26 PM, behrouz khosravi wrote:
>>> Hello everyone.
>>> I was wondering if anyone has tried KDE5?
>>> Do you know when it's going to be placed in the main tree?
>>>
>>> thanks
>> Hi,
>>
>> The KDE release structure has evolved[1], decoupling the release cycle
>> of the Platform, Workspace, and Applications. This means that there is
>> no longer a single Software Compilation in the same way there was with
>> KDE 4.
>>
>> We (Gentoo KDE team) have not yet made a decision as to when the Plasma
>> 5 Workspace will be pushed to the main tree. I've been using it on a
>> daily basis for about six months, and consider the next release (5.1.0)
>> to be a good candidate for the main tree.
>>
>> The underlying Platform (KDE Frameworks 5) upon which Plasma 5 is built
>> is expected in the main tree in about a week, after the 5.3.0 release.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Michael
>>
>> [1]: https://dot.kde.org/2013/09/04/kde-release-structure-evolves
>>
>>
>>
> 
> ok, at the moment you can't even install this mess:
> 
> merge: there are no ebuilds built with USE flags to satisfy
> ">=dev-qt/qtwebkit-5.3.2:5[debug=,widgets]".
> !!! One of the following packages is required to complete your request:
> - dev-qt/qtwebkit-5.3.2-r1::gentoo (Missing IUSE: widgets)
> (dependency required by "dev-qt/qtquick1-5.3.2" [ebuild])
> (dependency required by "kde-frameworks/plasma-5.2.0::kde" [ebuild])
> (dependency required by "@kde-frameworks-5.2" [argument])
> 
> yepp, three ebuilds depending on qtwebkit with the widgets useflag -
> that it doesn't even have. Oh joy. And that after 2h+ dealing with other
> useflag related shenanigans.
> 
> btw from the changelog:
> 
>   25 Sep 2014; Michael Palimaka <kensington@gentoo.org> metadata.xml:
>   Remove unused USE flag.
> 
> that unused useflag wasn't 'widgets' by chance? ^^
> 
> 
> 
Thanks for testing. It appears I missed a couple of consumers (I did
check!) and it's fixed now.

What other USE flag issues did you encounter?

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: has anyone tried KDE5?

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

Am 06.10.2014 um 11:57 schrieb Michael Palimaka:
> On 10/06/2014 05:34 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>> Am 04.10.2014 um 19:37 schrieb Michael Palimaka:
>>> On 10/04/2014 11:26 PM, behrouz khosravi wrote:
>>>> Hello everyone.
>>>> I was wondering if anyone has tried KDE5?
>>>> Do you know when it's going to be placed in the main tree?
>>>>
>>>> thanks
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> The KDE release structure has evolved[1], decoupling the release cycle
>>> of the Platform, Workspace, and Applications. This means that there is
>>> no longer a single Software Compilation in the same way there was with
>>> KDE 4.
>>>
>>> We (Gentoo KDE team) have not yet made a decision as to when the Plasma
>>> 5 Workspace will be pushed to the main tree. I've been using it on a
>>> daily basis for about six months, and consider the next release (5.1.0)
>>> to be a good candidate for the main tree.
>>>
>>> The underlying Platform (KDE Frameworks 5) upon which Plasma 5 is built
>>> is expected in the main tree in about a week, after the 5.3.0 release.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Michael
>>>
>>> [1]: https://dot.kde.org/2013/09/04/kde-release-structure-evolves
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> ok, at the moment you can't even install this mess:
>>
>> merge: there are no ebuilds built with USE flags to satisfy
>> ">=dev-qt/qtwebkit-5.3.2:5[debug=,widgets]".
>> !!! One of the following packages is required to complete your request:
>> - dev-qt/qtwebkit-5.3.2-r1::gentoo (Missing IUSE: widgets)
>> (dependency required by "dev-qt/qtquick1-5.3.2" [ebuild])
>> (dependency required by "kde-frameworks/plasma-5.2.0::kde" [ebuild])
>> (dependency required by "@kde-frameworks-5.2" [argument])
>>
>> yepp, three ebuilds depending on qtwebkit with the widgets useflag -
>> that it doesn't even have. Oh joy. And that after 2h+ dealing with other
>> useflag related shenanigans.
>>
>> btw from the changelog:
>>
>>   25 Sep 2014; Michael Palimaka <kensington@gentoo.org> metadata.xml:
>>   Remove unused USE flag.
>>
>> that unused useflag wasn't 'widgets' by chance? ^^
>>
>>
>>
> Thanks for testing. It appears I missed a couple of consumers (I did
> check!) and it's fixed now.
>
> What other USE flag issues did you encounter?
>
>
>

gles2 and kms was fun. It was easy - but emerge --ask takes so much time
that a lot of time was wasted.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: has anyone tried KDE5?

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

Am 06.10.2014 um 11:57 schrieb Michael Palimaka:
> On 10/06/2014 05:34 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>> Am 04.10.2014 um 19:37 schrieb Michael Palimaka:
>>> On 10/04/2014 11:26 PM, behrouz khosravi wrote:
>>>> Hello everyone.
>>>> I was wondering if anyone has tried KDE5?
>>>> Do you know when it's going to be placed in the main tree?
>>>>
>>>> thanks
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> The KDE release structure has evolved[1], decoupling the release cycle
>>> of the Platform, Workspace, and Applications. This means that there is
>>> no longer a single Software Compilation in the same way there was with
>>> KDE 4.
>>>
>>> We (Gentoo KDE team) have not yet made a decision as to when the Plasma
>>> 5 Workspace will be pushed to the main tree. I've been using it on a
>>> daily basis for about six months, and consider the next release (5.1.0)
>>> to be a good candidate for the main tree.
>>>
>>> The underlying Platform (KDE Frameworks 5) upon which Plasma 5 is built
>>> is expected in the main tree in about a week, after the 5.3.0 release.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Michael
>>>
>>> [1]: https://dot.kde.org/2013/09/04/kde-release-structure-evolves
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> ok, at the moment you can't even install this mess:
>>
>> merge: there are no ebuilds built with USE flags to satisfy
>> ">=dev-qt/qtwebkit-5.3.2:5[debug=,widgets]".
>> !!! One of the following packages is required to complete your request:
>> - dev-qt/qtwebkit-5.3.2-r1::gentoo (Missing IUSE: widgets)
>> (dependency required by "dev-qt/qtquick1-5.3.2" [ebuild])
>> (dependency required by "kde-frameworks/plasma-5.2.0::kde" [ebuild])
>> (dependency required by "@kde-frameworks-5.2" [argument])
>>
>> yepp, three ebuilds depending on qtwebkit with the widgets useflag -
>> that it doesn't even have. Oh joy. And that after 2h+ dealing with other
>> useflag related shenanigans.
>>
>> btw from the changelog:
>>
>>   25 Sep 2014; Michael Palimaka <kensington@gentoo.org> metadata.xml:
>>   Remove unused USE flag.
>>
>> that unused useflag wasn't 'widgets' by chance? ^^
>>
>>
>>
> Thanks for testing. It appears I missed a couple of consumers (I did
> check!) and it's fixed now.
>
> What other USE flag issues did you encounter?
>
>
>

so after spending hours fighting to upgrade boost, I finally got to the
point were portage let me emerge kde-framework.

I went to bed.

I woke up 2h later... only 9 packages were installed, the rest skipped
because of wrong gcc.

Crap like that should be told right at the start.

[gentoo-user] Re: has anyone tried KDE5?

[Michael Palimaka]

On 10/08/2014 07:31 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> so after spending hours fighting to upgrade boost, I finally got to the
> point were portage let me emerge kde-framework.
> 
> I went to bed.
> 
> I woke up 2h later... only 9 packages were installed, the rest skipped
> because of wrong gcc.
> 
> Crap like that should be told right at the start.

This is carryover from KDE 4. In all packages except kdelibs, the GCC
check was in pkg_setup instead of pkg_pretend to save time during
dependency resolution (think emerging 300 KDE packages at once).

I did some quick tests and I'm not convinced that the small time saving
justifies bending the rules and causing the sort of issue you ran into.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: has anyone tried KDE5?

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

Am 08.10.2014 um 11:56 schrieb Michael Palimaka:
> On 10/08/2014 07:31 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>> so after spending hours fighting to upgrade boost, I finally got to the
>> point were portage let me emerge kde-framework.
>>
>> I went to bed.
>>
>> I woke up 2h later... only 9 packages were installed, the rest skipped
>> because of wrong gcc.
>>
>> Crap like that should be told right at the start.
> This is carryover from KDE 4. In all packages except kdelibs, the GCC
> check was in pkg_setup instead of pkg_pretend to save time during
> dependency resolution (think emerging 300 KDE packages at once).
>
> I did some quick tests and I'm not convinced that the small time saving
> justifies bending the rules and causing the sort of issue you ran into.
>
>
>

luckily, I did have gcc 4.8 installed, until now I just did not have a
reason to switch. Afterwards emerging the rest was a non-issue. emerge
@preserved-rebuild is not happy, of course because of kactivities-4 and
-5 not liking each other.. let them be unhappy...

[gentoo-user] Re: has anyone tried KDE5?

[Michael Palimaka]

On 10/09/2014 04:38 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> Am 08.10.2014 um 11:56 schrieb Michael Palimaka:
>> On 10/08/2014 07:31 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>>> so after spending hours fighting to upgrade boost, I finally got to the
>>> point were portage let me emerge kde-framework.
>>>
>>> I went to bed.
>>>
>>> I woke up 2h later... only 9 packages were installed, the rest skipped
>>> because of wrong gcc.
>>>
>>> Crap like that should be told right at the start.
>> This is carryover from KDE 4. In all packages except kdelibs, the GCC
>> check was in pkg_setup instead of pkg_pretend to save time during
>> dependency resolution (think emerging 300 KDE packages at once).
>>
>> I did some quick tests and I'm not convinced that the small time saving
>> justifies bending the rules and causing the sort of issue you ran into.
>>
>>
>>
> 
> luckily, I did have gcc 4.8 installed, until now I just did not have a
> reason to switch. Afterwards emerging the rest was a non-issue. emerge
> @preserved-rebuild is not happy, of course because of kactivities-4 and
> -5 not liking each other.. let them be unhappy...
> 
> 
> 
> 

You can have both at the same time by merging kactivities:4 with minimal
USE flag. That will be handled automatically by a new profile in due course.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: has anyone tried KDE5?

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

Am 09.10.2014 um 09:56 schrieb Michael Palimaka:
> On 10/09/2014 04:38 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>> Am 08.10.2014 um 11:56 schrieb Michael Palimaka:
>>> On 10/08/2014 07:31 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>>>> so after spending hours fighting to upgrade boost, I finally got to the
>>>> point were portage let me emerge kde-framework.
>>>>
>>>> I went to bed.
>>>>
>>>> I woke up 2h later... only 9 packages were installed, the rest skipped
>>>> because of wrong gcc.
>>>>
>>>> Crap like that should be told right at the start.
>>> This is carryover from KDE 4. In all packages except kdelibs, the GCC
>>> check was in pkg_setup instead of pkg_pretend to save time during
>>> dependency resolution (think emerging 300 KDE packages at once).
>>>
>>> I did some quick tests and I'm not convinced that the small time saving
>>> justifies bending the rules and causing the sort of issue you ran into.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> luckily, I did have gcc 4.8 installed, until now I just did not have a
>> reason to switch. Afterwards emerging the rest was a non-issue. emerge
>> @preserved-rebuild is not happy, of course because of kactivities-4 and
>> -5 not liking each other.. let them be unhappy...
>>
>>
>>
>>
> You can have both at the same time by merging kactivities:4 with minimal
> USE flag. That will be handled automatically by a new profile in due course.
>
>
>

ah, thanks!

Re: [gentoo-user] has anyone tried KDE5?

[Pavel Volkov]

On Saturday, October 4, 2014 9:37:04 PM MSK, Michael Palimaka wrote:
> The KDE release structure has evolved[1], decoupling the release cycle
> of the Platform, Workspace, and Applications. This means that there is
> no longer a single Software Compilation in the same way there was with
> KDE 4.
>
> We (Gentoo KDE team) have not yet made a decision as to when the Plasma
> 5 Workspace will be pushed to the main tree. I've been using it on a
> daily basis for about six months, and consider the next release (5.1.0)
> to be a good candidate for the main tree.
>
> The underlying Platform (KDE Frameworks 5) upon which Plasma 5 is built
> is expected in the main tree in about a week, after the 5.3.0 release.

I think KDE Application 5 haven't been released yet (at least I don't 
remember seeing the news). Are you going to package old applications with 
Frameworks 5 and Plasma 5?

[gentoo-user] Re: has anyone tried KDE5?

[Michael Palimaka]

On 10/07/2014 06:41 PM, Pavel Volkov wrote:
> On Saturday, October 4, 2014 9:37:04 PM MSK, Michael Palimaka wrote:
>> The KDE release structure has evolved[1], decoupling the release cycle
>> of the Platform, Workspace, and Applications. This means that there is
>> no longer a single Software Compilation in the same way there was with
>> KDE 4.
>>
>> We (Gentoo KDE team) have not yet made a decision as to when the Plasma
>> 5 Workspace will be pushed to the main tree. I've been using it on a
>> daily basis for about six months, and consider the next release (5.1.0)
>> to be a good candidate for the main tree.
>>
>> The underlying Platform (KDE Frameworks 5) upon which Plasma 5 is built
>> is expected in the main tree in about a week, after the 5.3.0 release.
> 
> I think KDE Application 5 haven't been released yet (at least I don't
> remember seeing the news). Are you going to package old applications
> with Frameworks 5 and Plasma 5?
> 
> 

The first Applications 5 release (currently versioned "14.12") is
expected in late December. KDE 4 applications work fine in a Plasma 5
environment and we'll continue to ship them for the foreseeable future.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: has anyone tried KDE5?

[Stefano Crocco]

Excerpts from Michael Palimaka's message of 2014-10-04 19:37:04 +0200:
> On 10/04/2014 11:26 PM, behrouz khosravi wrote:
> > Hello everyone.
> > I was wondering if anyone has tried KDE5?
> > Do you know when it's going to be placed in the main tree?
> > 
> > thanks
> 
> Hi,
> 
> The KDE release structure has evolved[1], decoupling the release cycle
> of the Platform, Workspace, and Applications. This means that there is
> no longer a single Software Compilation in the same way there was with
> KDE 4.
> 
> We (Gentoo KDE team) have not yet made a decision as to when the Plasma
> 5 Workspace will be pushed to the main tree. I've been using it on a
> daily basis for about six months, and consider the next release (5.1.0)
> to be a good candidate for the main tree.
> 
> The underlying Platform (KDE Frameworks 5) upon which Plasma 5 is built
> is expected in the main tree in about a week, after the 5.3.0 release.
> 
> Best regards,
> Michael
> 
> [1]: https://dot.kde.org/2013/09/04/kde-release-structure-evolves

I'd love to try KDE 5. So far I've been able to install Frameworks from the KDE
overlay. I then tried to install the workspace, but it seems that it can't
coexist with kde 4 (I get blockers from several kde 4 packages when trying to
install). Is this correct, or am I doing something wrong? I use paludis as
package manager, so maybe it behaves differently from portage and this is the
reason for the blockers.

I remember that when KDE 4 was released I used to run the live version,
rebuilding everything every day. It was a very pleasant experience being able to
witness how the programs improved, day after day. But I could do that because I
could have both KDE 4 and KDE 3 installed at the same time: those days when a
program I needed broke horribly in the KDE 4 live version, I could go on working
using the KDE 3 version. Currently, if indeed KDE 4 and KDE 5 workspace can't be
installed at the same time, I'll have to wait before trying the latter.

Stefano

[gentoo-user] Re: has anyone tried KDE5?

[Michael Palimaka]

On 10/12/2014 11:11 PM, Stefano Crocco wrote:
> Excerpts from Michael Palimaka's message of 2014-10-04 19:37:04 +0200:
>> On 10/04/2014 11:26 PM, behrouz khosravi wrote:
>>> Hello everyone.
>>> I was wondering if anyone has tried KDE5?
>>> Do you know when it's going to be placed in the main tree?
>>>
>>> thanks
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> The KDE release structure has evolved[1], decoupling the release cycle
>> of the Platform, Workspace, and Applications. This means that there is
>> no longer a single Software Compilation in the same way there was with
>> KDE 4.
>>
>> We (Gentoo KDE team) have not yet made a decision as to when the Plasma
>> 5 Workspace will be pushed to the main tree. I've been using it on a
>> daily basis for about six months, and consider the next release (5.1.0)
>> to be a good candidate for the main tree.
>>
>> The underlying Platform (KDE Frameworks 5) upon which Plasma 5 is built
>> is expected in the main tree in about a week, after the 5.3.0 release.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Michael
>>
>> [1]: https://dot.kde.org/2013/09/04/kde-release-structure-evolves
> 
> I'd love to try KDE 5. So far I've been able to install Frameworks from the KDE
> overlay. I then tried to install the workspace, but it seems that it can't
> coexist with kde 4 (I get blockers from several kde 4 packages when trying to
> install). Is this correct, or am I doing something wrong? I use paludis as
> package manager, so maybe it behaves differently from portage and this is the
> reason for the blockers.

Unfortunately Plasma 5 and KDE 4 Workspaces cannot coexist. This is an
upstream decision.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: has anyone tried KDE5?

[Stefano Crocco]

Excerpts from Michael Palimaka's message of 2014-10-12 17:20:20 +0200:
> > 
> > I'd love to try KDE 5. So far I've been able to install Frameworks from the KDE
> > overlay. I then tried to install the workspace, but it seems that it can't
> > coexist with kde 4 (I get blockers from several kde 4 packages when trying to
> > install). Is this correct, or am I doing something wrong? I use paludis as
> > package manager, so maybe it behaves differently from portage and this is the
> > reason for the blockers.
> 
> Unfortunately Plasma 5 and KDE 4 Workspaces cannot coexist. This is an
> upstream decision.

That's a pity. It seems I'll have to wait.

Thanks for the information.

Stefano

Re: [gentoo-user] has anyone tried KDE5?

[Paige Thompson]

On 10/04/14 16:26, behrouz khosravi wrote:
> Hello everyone.
> I was wondering if anyone has tried KDE5?
> Do you know when it's going to be placed in the main tree?
>
> thanks
I'm using the layman repo (plasma 5 live) once you get it setup and
working its pretty awesome.

http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/KDE/Overlay

You can probably also get some questions answered in #gentoo-kde on
freenode.

Re: [gentoo-user] has anyone tried KDE5?

[Paige Thompson]

On 10/04/14 16:26, behrouz khosravi wrote:
> Hello everyone.
> I was wondering if anyone has tried KDE5?
> Do you know when it's going to be placed in the main tree?
>
> thanks
before you even mess around with that though I suggest taking kde and/or
setting -kde in your make.conf use flags. start using package.use and
linking things to kde on a case by case basis.