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Mark Knecht wrote:
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 12, 2022 at 12:13 PM Wol <antlists@youngman.org.uk
> <mailto:antlists@youngman.org.uk>> wrote:
> >
> > On 12/11/2022 18:22, Dale wrote:
> > > Where does one go for a list of the LTS kernels? Since I reboot so
> > > rarely, what not use one of them?? Of course, the kernel I have
> in use
> > > now has long uptimes so it is sort of LTS for this rig anyway.
> >
> > Do you REALLY want an LTS kernel? Sounds like you don't. You need to
> > update them just as much as any other kernel.
> >
> > The point of an LTS kernel is it supposed to NOT receive feature
> > updates, just bug fixes. Given that Artificial Stupidity bots regularly
> > try to apply updates to stable kernels, is it worth restricting yourself
> > to old kernels? Especially when it's not unknown for a bot to try to
> > backport a patch from kernel X+2, when it depends on a patch from X+1
> > that hasn't been backported, and anybody using that code finds their
> > "stable" kernel blowing up in their face.
> >
> > The idea behind stable kernels is great. The implementation leaves a lot
> > to be desired and, as always, the reason is not enough manpower.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Wol
>
> Wol,
> While I don't completely disagree with your technical points I
> really don't think your assessment of the purpose of a LTS kernel
> is wide ranging enough.
>
> I do agree that from what I know of Dale's usage he probably
> doesn't NEED a long term support kernel, but he may be better
> off with one.
>
> If you are user of apps you pay for - in my case Mixbus - an paid
> version of Ardour - and PixInsight then you are not going to get
> much support if you're off in the weeds running Gentoo and/or
> leading edge kernels. I run Kubuntu now, but not because I think
> it's a better distro, but because I get support. Harrison does all
> the dirty work on the audio stack and Pleiades Astro basically
> says you're on your own running unless you are on just a couple of
> distros. They were no help when I ran Gentoo. They are great
> under Kubuntu.
>
> An additional point is that if Dale limits himself to an LTS
> kernel then he doesn't have to worry about changes to his
> tool chain. I'm just waiting for the day that Rust becomes
> a driving conversation point on this list. I don't think Dale
> wants or needs to be involved in that.
>
> Anyway, just my point of view.
>
> Best wishes,
> Mark
Usually, I try to update about once a year. I don't change hardware
much. I do plan to get a PCI SATA card with more ports later on but
still, I don't change hardware a whole lot. Maybe a LTS isn't for me.
I was just curious if I would benefit from using one since I don't
upgrade much and the kernels I run, run for months without problems. So
to me, they are rock stable. This is from uprecords, just the first
seven entries.
1 303 days, 11:46:23 | Linux 4.5.2-gentoo Sat Jul 29 23:20:27 2017
2 227 days, 22:10:30 | Linux 5.6.7-gentoo Wed Oct 28 13:59:36 2020
3 200 days, 06:51:46 | Linux 4.18.12-gentoo Sat Jan 12 03:42:55 2019
4 193 days, 09:28:37 | Linux 3.5.3-gentoo Sat Sep 22 07:50:38 2012
5 184 days, 15:47:57 | Linux 3.18.7-gentoo Tue Dec 15 21:53:59 2015
6 166 days, 20:47:12 | Linux 5.6.7-gentoo Thu May 14 00:47:09 2020
7 147 days, 10:32:02 | Linux 5.14.15-gentoo Sun Feb 13 01:09:41 2022
My current kernel is on the bottom. With hard drive changes, I been
rebooting more often than usual. Still, 147 days is pretty stable. :-D
It was just a thought. Maybe not even a good one. ;-)
Dale
:-) :-)
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On Sat, Nov 12, 2022 at 12:13 PM Wol <<a
href="mailto:antlists@youngman.org.uk" moz-do-not-send="true">antlists@youngman.org.uk</a>>
wrote:<br>
><br>
> On 12/11/2022 18:22, Dale wrote:<br>
> > Where does one go for a list of the LTS kernels?
Since I reboot so<br>
> > rarely, what not use one of them?? Of course, the
kernel I have in use<br>
> > now has long uptimes so it is sort of LTS for this rig
anyway.<br>
><br>
> Do you REALLY want an LTS kernel? Sounds like you don't.
You need to<br>
> update them just as much as any other kernel.<br>
><br>
> The point of an LTS kernel is it supposed to NOT receive
feature<br>
> updates, just bug fixes. Given that Artificial Stupidity
bots regularly<br>
> try to apply updates to stable kernels, is it worth
restricting yourself<br>
> to old kernels? Especially when it's not unknown for a
bot to try to<br>
> backport a patch from kernel X+2, when it depends on a
patch from X+1<br>
> that hasn't been backported, and anybody using that code
finds their<br>
> "stable" kernel blowing up in their face.<br>
><br>
> The idea behind stable kernels is great. The implementation
leaves a lot<br>
> to be desired and, as always, the reason is not enough
manpower.<br>
><br>
> Cheers,<br>
> Wol
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Wol,</div>
<div> While I don't completely disagree with your technical
points I</div>
<div>really don't think your assessment of the purpose of a LTS
kernel</div>
<div>is wide ranging enough. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div> I do agree that from what I know of Dale's usage he
probably </div>
<div>doesn't NEED a long term support kernel, but he may be
better </div>
<div>off with one.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div> If you are user of apps you pay for - in my case Mixbus
- an paid</div>
<div>version of Ardour - and PixInsight then you are not going
to get </div>
<div>much support if you're off in the weeds running Gentoo
and/or</div>
<div>leading edge kernels. I run Kubuntu now, but not because I
think</div>
<div>it's a better distro, but because I get support. Harrison
does all</div>
<div>the dirty work on the audio stack and Pleiades Astro
basically</div>
<div>says you're on your own running unless you are on just a
couple of</div>
<div>distros. They were no help when I ran Gentoo. They are
great </div>
<div>under Kubuntu.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div> An additional point is that if Dale limits himself to an
LTS </div>
<div>kernel then he doesn't have to worry about changes to his</div>
<div>tool chain. I'm just waiting for the day that Rust becomes</div>
<div>a driving conversation point on this list. I don't think
Dale </div>
<div>wants or needs to be involved in that.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div> Anyway, just my point of view.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best wishes,</div>
<div>Mark</div>
</div>
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<br>
<br>
Usually, I try to update about once a year. I don't change hardware
much. I do plan to get a PCI SATA card with more ports later on but
still, I don't change hardware a whole lot. Maybe a LTS isn't for
me. I was just curious if I would benefit from using one since I
don't upgrade much and the kernels I run, run for months without
problems. So to me, they are rock stable. This is from uprecords,
just the first seven entries. <br>
<br>
1 303 days, 11:46:23 | Linux 4.5.2-gentoo Sat Jul 29
23:20:27 2017<br>
2 227 days, 22:10:30 | Linux 5.6.7-gentoo Wed Oct 28
13:59:36 2020<br>
3 200 days, 06:51:46 | Linux 4.18.12-gentoo Sat Jan 12
03:42:55 2019<br>
4 193 days, 09:28:37 | Linux 3.5.3-gentoo Sat Sep 22
07:50:38 2012<br>
5 184 days, 15:47:57 | Linux 3.18.7-gentoo Tue Dec 15
21:53:59 2015<br>
6 166 days, 20:47:12 | Linux 5.6.7-gentoo Thu May 14
00:47:09 2020<br>
7 147 days, 10:32:02 | Linux 5.14.15-gentoo Sun Feb 13
01:09:41 2022<br>
<br>
My current kernel is on the bottom. With hard drive changes, I been
rebooting more often than usual. Still, 147 days is pretty stable.
:-D <br>
<br>
It was just a thought. Maybe not even a good one. ;-)<br>
<br>
Dale <br>
<br>
:-) :-) <br>
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