From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F109D13838B for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 11:23:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 27A5EE095F; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 11:23:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 27790E0950 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 11:23:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.6.8] (blfd-4d08fb34.pool.mediaWays.net [77.8.251.52]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: hasufell) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0DDEF33FEC9 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 11:23:01 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <54200692.4010602@gentoo.org> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 13:22:58 +0200 From: hasufell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.7.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Linus Torvalds on systemd References: <541D8521.2060205@gentoo.org> <541EC855.9010602@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archives-Salt: 1ba6a66a-c6dc-414b-a685-443cbf0b1abf X-Archives-Hash: 1e43ac11bc2bb75e3b62d131340e1c12 On 09/21/2014 07:23 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 7:45 AM, hasufell wrote: >> Canek Peláez Valdés: >>> On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 8:46 AM, hasufell wrote: >>>>> • "There's still value in understanding the traditional UNIX "do one >>>>> thing and do it well" model where many workflows can be done as a >>>>> pipeline of simple tools each adding their own value, but let's face >>>>> it, it's not how complex systems really work, and it's not how major >>>>> applications have been working or been designed for a long time. It's >>>>> a useful simplification, and it's still true at *some* level, but I >>>>> think it's also clear that it doesn't really describe most of >>>>> reality." >>>>> >>>> >>>> He doesn't make an actual argument why useful abstraction cannot be done >>>> in complex systems. >>> >>> He doesn't need to; >> >> Sure he does. > > No, he does not, because the link I posted was not an argument, was an > interview and he was asked for his opinion, and in no moment was he > asked to justify his opinion. > > You, on the other hand, seem to be arguing. I don't know exactly with > whom, because surely is not with me. > Then please just refrain from answering if you don't understand how my point matters in terms of systemd development, thanks.