From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: <gentoo-user+bounces-158831-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@lists.gentoo.org> Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0394313838B for <garchives@archives.gentoo.org>; Sat, 20 Sep 2014 13:46:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2F3B6E09B4; Sat, 20 Sep 2014 13:46:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1E39AE0954 for <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>; Sat, 20 Sep 2014 13:46:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (tanet-tor-exit.mit.edu [18.125.1.222]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: hasufell) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BC4673401CC for <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>; Sat, 20 Sep 2014 13:46:16 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <541D8521.2060205@gentoo.org> Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 13:46:09 +0000 From: hasufell <hasufell@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-user+help@lists.gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-user.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Linus Torvalds on systemd References: <CADPrc80LXMYHOa3ox6C-4qg2sWefSDgB-CnHYZ_JBzovC8SeRA@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <CADPrc80LXMYHOa3ox6C-4qg2sWefSDgB-CnHYZ_JBzovC8SeRA@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archives-Salt: 31617c5d-d710-4a0f-951b-754078eaa442 X-Archives-Hash: 36e9381499ea582c148e1b8265bfdbe3 > • "There's still value in understanding the traditional UNIX "do one > thing and do it well" model where many workflows can be done as a > pipeline of simple tools each adding their own value, but let's face > it, it's not how complex systems really work, and it's not how major > applications have been working or been designed for a long time. It's > a useful simplification, and it's still true at *some* level, but I > think it's also clear that it doesn't really describe most of > reality." > He doesn't make an actual argument why useful abstraction cannot be done in complex systems.