From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A41B113838B for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2014 04:53:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CE83AE0B00; Thu, 18 Sep 2014 04:53:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A99DFE09F5 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2014 04:53:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (mobile-internet-5d6a92-94.dhcp.inet.fi [93.106.146.94]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: ssuominen) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0B6783402F9 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2014 04:53:04 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <541A6510.3070406@gentoo.org> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 07:52:32 +0300 From: Samuli Suominen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Linus Torvalds on systemd References: <541A235F.4020106@alectenharmsel.com> In-Reply-To: <541A235F.4020106@alectenharmsel.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 5f72da65-b15a-4c4b-8270-63e0770b8f0b X-Archives-Hash: 6e12c3c7c9fef6385407a2b801548a65 On 18/09/14 03:12, Alec Ten Harmsel wrote: > Mark David Dumlao wrote: >> The code is out there. Freely available. Both systemd and sysvinit. >> If you wanted to measure both, you could, literally, in the time it >> took since you first posted in this thread till now you could have >> measured several times and left mean comments about whichever >> system you hated the most. > Unfortunately, the systemd guys keep screaming that systemd is faster, > and burden of proof is on the party that's claiming something. It's not > James'/Volker's responsibility to prove that systemd isn't faster. > > That said, you guys need to stop flaming. If anything, it's easy to > dislike SysVInit because the init scripts it uses are piles of bash, > compared to a Systemd init script that has a handful of systemd config. > > Is systemd starting to encompass too much? I think so, but who cares? If > we want an init manager that reads systemd-like files but doesn't do > anything else (hostnamectl, logging, udev, etc.), I guess we'll have to > make one. > > Alec > Notably Gentoo has never used entire SysV, only the init part, not the /etc.d/rc.d part So this POSIX sh script's are coming from dedicated *Gentoo* project, which is sys-apps/openrc Just clarifying